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What frames are the same?
I hope this hasn't been covered before.
So like, Kilo TT = KHS Flite 100? Windsor Hour = 2007 Fuji Track? etc. etc. |
I've heard people always say that kilo = khs, but the geometries listed on each companies sites are different. What gives?
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the kilo is threaded and the khs is threadless.
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how does that answer the geometry question?
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Intersting tidbit: the Bareknuckle is the same frame as a Pake.. Both are made by schwinn.
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Originally Posted by I_luv_hooters
(Post 5922358)
Intersting tidbit: the Bareknuckle is the same frame as a Pake.. Both are made by schwinn.
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Lemond Fillmore = Gary Fisher Triton
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i think that was a joke
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Does anyone have any proof to back up these claims?
In the meantime Langster is same as Nagasawa! |
Motobecane Messangers are rebadged Mercians?
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Originally Posted by fixedup
(Post 5922368)
How are they the same frame? They're made of different tubing aren't they?
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I want proof also , this all sounds like bull****.
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Originally Posted by fixedup
(Post 5922242)
how does that answer the geometry question?
the geometry listed on the mercier sight is only for their road frames no geometry is listed for the kilo I have owned several kilos and several khs frames as they are my favorite frame of all time just so happens I am a beast and I hurt them btw fuji track= windsor hour = motobecane messenger kilo tt = khs flite 100 bareknuckle (deda) =? madison (nlightened) - same fork same geometry different "tubes" tsunami =? fuji track pro =? raleigh rhp pake (??) = soma rush seconds? (tange prestige) - same frame geometry different tubes gos you people are fools if you thought I was serious |
If im wrong please correct me, the pake and madison are made of standard 4130 cromo right? The bareknuckle is not made of some mix od columbus and deccaddi (sp?) right? Also isn't the soma rush made of tange prestige? How can they be the same frame? I'll buy the khs mercier being the same.
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edited above
the red stuff is bs... |
The bareknuckle is not related to the madison, they just have similar looking forks.
Pake is not a rush, they're different tubing. The tsunami and fuji track pro and raleigh don't even look alike. |
This is the classic misinformation thread. Lots of people who can't tell a joke when it slaps them in the face combined with even more people who don't know what they're talking about. I love it.
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Originally Posted by bonechilling
(Post 5922717)
This is the classic misinformation thread. Lots of people who can't tell a joke when it slaps them in the face combined with even more people who don't know what they're talking about. I love it.
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Originally Posted by Retem
(Post 5922538)
both of my kilo tt came with khs owners manuals as far as geometry goes they are the same
the geometry listed on the mercier sight is only for their road frames no geometry is listed for the kilo I have owned several kilos and several khs frames as they are my favorite frame of all time just so happens I am a beast and I hurt them btw fuji track= windsor hour = motobecane messenger kilo tt = khs flite 100 bareknuckle (deda) =? madison (nlightened) - same fork same geometry different "tubes" tsunami =? fuji track pro =? raleigh rhp pake (??) = soma rush seconds? (tange prestige) - same frame geometry different tubes Here is the KHS Flite geo sheet: http://www.khsbicycles.com/Images/Ge...7-geo-road.jpg Now compare say a 57cm frame KHS Flite 100 (57): HT angle: 75* ST angle: 74* Top Tube: 575mm Chainstay: 401mm Fork Offset: 28 mm Mercier Kilo TT (57): HT angle: 73.5* ST angle: 74* Top Tube: 590mm Chainstay: 405mm Fork Offset: 40 mm Maybe they are made by the same people, maybe they are made of the same material, but I am sorry these are not the same frames. |
I will measure my friends kilo against my khs and get backto you on that
as far as my knowledge having owned several of these frames is they ride the same and look the same side by side it is hard to beleive that the 2003 mercier geometry chart is correct to the 06/07 models which are the ones I have owned |
Originally Posted by Retem
(Post 5922827)
I will measure my friends kilo against my khs and get backto you on that
as far as my knowledge having owned several of these frames is they ride the same and look the same side by side it is hard to beleive that the 2003 mercier geometry chart is correct to the 06/07 models which are the ones I have owned |
Originally Posted by bonechilling
(Post 5922717)
This is the classic misinformation thread. Lots of people who can't tell a joke when it slaps them in the face combined with even more people who don't know what they're talking about. I love it.
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Originally Posted by fixedup
(Post 5923130)
Why not just enlighten us all oh mighty one?
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well I applaud whoever can judge sarcasm over the internet better than me
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Originally Posted by NeilMonday
(Post 5922915)
I really hope that your kilo has the same geo as the khs, becaus I really want the kilo tt "pro" frameset when bikesdirect sells them, and if it had a 75* H/T and 28 mm fork offset it would be icing on the cake.
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Originally Posted by fixedup
(Post 5925074)
well I applaud whoever can judge sarcasm over the internet better than me
in morals, character, intelligence, and overall ability. i'm not being sarcastic. |
Originally Posted by fixedup
(Post 5922242)
how does that answer the geometry question?
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Originally Posted by kidtwisty
(Post 5925452)
it really is a sign of superiority.
in morals, character, intelligence, and overall ability. i'm not being sarcastic. |
Spicer standard track frame = KHS
I'm surprised that the top tube on 57cm Kilo is 59cm. That seems like a pretty stretched out bike. |
i had heard that the kilo had a long ST for the TT measurement relative to other frames. that's odd.
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