That makes no sense at all. 'Pushing their RAM' 'enough' causes crashes? And that's what Mac users should do?

Mac desktops tend to use over-kill hardware that's run comfortably withing spec. That's the philosophy of a 24/7 server (i.e. a machine that gets work done), not a crash-happy bleeding edge gaming machine. Who cares if you benchmark really fast if you're always restarting?

49G right next to me! NOT allowed on exams, sadly. 'cause this baby can calculate eigenvalues and eigenvectors, that's how sweet it is.

I was doing some reading, it seams you can only change the graphics card in a 24" imac, and it uses laptop oreited pci slots (or just one, no sli). I see no comment on changing sound cards. Also macs seem to cost more than the sum of their parts...

Oh and yes running your ram too tight too fast will cause crashes.

Is it even legal to install osx on non mac hardware?

Have you added in the cost of that little apple symbol. I costs about the same (in proportion) as a Nike Swoosh or an Oakley O.

i get tons of free stickers with my mobos, cpus, sound cards, g cards, and some ram. lol g.skill gives glow in the dark stickers.

it doesn't matter.

seriously people IT DOESN'T MATTER.

if you are good at what you do, you can do it on any platform.

that said, my preference is PC for Photoshop / Dreamweaver / Flash, Mac for video editing / Illustrator

98% of the people that think macs are superior only use them to browse the internet anyways.

brakeless


mac

+1
they're both just computers to me

mac=Rivendell

pc=bikes direct

*nix=custom frame built by YOU

+1 for your ma

Nope that machine isn't really upgradable. Mac Pros are. iMacs are all in one machines much like those new set top box Gateway and HP machines. They are not marketed at a user like you.

As far as price goes thats subjective. To each his own. I went with my machine because it was most cost effective for me (re: PC magazine rated macbook pro fastest laptop)

Incorrect.

(Disclaimer: This is an over simplification of a complex topic) Machines crash when a program tries to write to RAM that isn't there typically. If you've maxed out the available RAM on your machine any modern o/s will properly handle swap (as in use your disk as RAM for non active applications). The only times when running your machine with the RAM full (which my machine is typically at 90% used when working) are when the O/S incorrectly handles the swapping and tries to write to non existent RAM which usually just will result in the program crashing. Now if it accidentally writes over RAM in use, more specifically where the kernel resides you will get a full system crash. This has little to do with running with minimal free RAM and almost all to do with the operating system making a mistake.

Nope.

Actually..... it probably is! No law can forbid you to do whatever the fsck you want with software you legally bought. If you want to install it on your Schwinn Varsity, go ahead (and try).

I enjoy both. I had an ibook and when it crapped out on my I was going to switch back to pc but then the intel macs came out... so now i have a MacBook that I put a 250gig HD into and partitioned 50 to windows. Therefore, I have both. Bwa haha. I am awesome.

Maybe not in Finland, but in America, we have the DMCA. The law strengthens the EULA to act as a contract, so if Apple stipulates the terms of use for its software within it, then use contrary to the EULA could be perceived to violate copyright law. But yeah, if you bought a copy, I'm sure Apple doesn't give a **** what you do with it. However, I'd wager than most non-Apple OS X machines aren't running licensed copies, but that's neither here nor there.

Interesting. You say "Apple stipulates the terms of use for its software" (by the way, it's "its" not "it's" -grammar nacizm ftw), but it is not Apple's software anymore, if I bought it. Well, that's how it works over here, anyway. Here you can buy OEM copies of software, "second hand" copies of software (it's genuine, buy used) and such stuff, and Microsoft can blow us.

I am talking about timings and clock speeds. Like DDR400 running at 250 (500 effective) can become very unstable. You can try to recover some stability by slacking your timings (instead if 2-2-2-5 you could use 3-4-4-12). Also up the voltage. My ram is rated 2-2-2-6 at 200mhz (ddr400) but at 2.8v, I run it at 2.9 just in case.

So what I mean is when you are trying to get more performance from your ram you will encounter crashes due to corrupt data reading/writing.

In America you no longer own anything you buy, at least when it comes to digital content.

Sadly I'm not joking, not even a little bit.

Yeah, I'm not interested in engaging in a discussion of the merits of the DMCA - I don't think many with a CompSci background or a basic understanding of copyright law thinks that it's remotely fair. But it's the law, and Yoshi nailed it.

Right, I don't run into those problems on a PC or a Mac because I don't run my hardware outside of range. The performance boosts are minimal versus the problems one would run into in my opinion. When I buy a workstation I want it to last 4+ years and be my main workstation during that time so stability over time is a priority for me.

What content isn't considered "digital" in some form now. Even if you buy a hard copy of media you are still in a sense long term renting it. I bet if some company wanted to with a top notch legal staff they could figure out a way license their bike frame geometry and EULA the bike (huge exaggeration).

Mac.

This thread is hilarious. I use both. A lot. I'm a .NET developer professionally, and do a lot of Ruby stuff on my mac laptop. Also, neither my gaming rig nor my work laptop have crashed in about a year, so if your PC is crashing all the time you're either a muppet or have janky hardware.
A workstation's lifetime is about 2 years anyhow, anything older is only good for office work.

He's talking about RAM voltage, timings, and clock speed.
The problems you're referring to are software bugs.

LOSE.

Nope. Interface matters. If it didn't, then we'd all still be on command line.

PCs suits some people because of software availability, flexibility and cost.
Macs suit other people because of simplicity, user experience and aesthetics.

If you see absolutely no difference between Macs and PCs in daily use, you're not perceptive, or just playing the 'I'm so above that' card.