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MartinK 02-09-08 07:02 AM

Lust singlespeed objects
 
I really like these belt driven singlespeeds. Very sexy and clean.

http://i31.tinypic.com/2m4u828.jpg


http://i25.tinypic.com/21kxymu.jpg


Funny thing though is until I saw the road bike here I never considered a singlespeed road version.



M

NeilMonday 02-09-08 08:10 AM

Maybe there is some obvious way to do this that I can't see, but how do you change belts? Cut the old one and then glue the new one? Does it have some sort of weird master link? Chainrings (beltrings?) and cogs must be a pain in the A to find.

InternetDisease 02-09-08 08:25 AM

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EuroJosh 02-09-08 08:36 AM


Originally Posted by NeilMonday (Post 6134931)
Maybe there is some obvious way to do this that I can't see, but how do you change belts? Cut the old one and then glue the new one? Does it have some sort of weird master link? Chainrings (beltrings?) and cogs must be a pain in the A to find.

The drive side seat stay is bolted to the drop out, open it up and slide the new belt through.

Dave Hickey 02-09-08 08:37 AM

The ones that I've seen have a weird slotted drop out or seat stay. You remove a sleeve, slide the belt in, put the sleeve back on and tighten it down...The belt remains one piece.

NeilMonday 02-09-08 08:38 AM

I really can't see this system on any sort of custom built bike. Chains are great, because you can modify their length to accommodate different chainstay lengths, chainrings, cogs etc. I can't think of a way that a belt could be adjusted to fit different bikes except for a belt tensioner. Also, with belts it seems as though you are limited to single speed, unless they make proprietary derailleurs and cassettes.

EuroJosh 02-09-08 08:47 AM

http://reviews.mtbr.com/interbike/fi...9/img_0425.jpg
This one is lust worthy!

MartinK 02-09-08 08:48 AM

They have a better pic on the Lynskey blog where you can see how the belt gets mounted. I think it looks very clean indeed and it seems more folks are starting to utilize belts on custom bikes. Plus with an internal geared hub it would appear that you can indeed have a geared bike too.

EuroJosh 02-09-08 08:52 AM

http://www.deltacycle.com/images/cdbig5.jpg
http://www.deltacycle.com/images/cdsmall4.jpg
Here it is on a SA 3 speed, and this one is affordable.

wroomwroomoops 02-09-08 09:09 AM


Originally Posted by JoshFrank (Post 6134992)
The drive side seat stay is bolted to the drop out, open it up and slide the new belt through.

a-haaa!! Hmmmm....!!

wroomwroomoops 02-09-08 09:10 AM


Originally Posted by NeilMonday (Post 6134999)
I really can't see this system on any sort of custom built bike. Chains are great, because you can modify their length to accommodate different chainstay lengths, chainrings, cogs etc. I can't think of a way that a belt could be adjusted to fit different bikes except for a belt tensioner. Also, with belts it seems as though you are limited to single speed, unless they make proprietary derailleurs and cassettes.

Did you know that geared hubs are an old, old technology?

gz_ 02-09-08 09:23 AM

I'm really excited about these and can't wait till they hit the mass market. Just such a more elegant solution since there's less weight, less grease, less maintenance, no sharp teeth to eat pants, and they claim the power transfer is more efficient than a chain. Not a fan of the removable dropout, but I thought in one interview the company making them said there was something similar to a master link in a chain. Anyone running this setup already?

wroomwroomoops 02-09-08 09:28 AM

I am not down with belt drive - apparently they last much less than chains and have a somewhat higher dissipation. But I luvz being able to remove the chain without having to break it.

diff_lock2 02-09-08 09:33 AM

And no nasty sticky lube!

EuroJosh 02-09-08 09:37 AM


Originally Posted by wroomwroomoops (Post 6135156)
I am not down with belt drive - apparently they last much less than chains and have a somewhat higher dissipation. But I luvz being able to remove the chain without having to break it.

These belts are essentially the same as the ones used for car motors, they will last a lot longer than a bicycle chain. No one can pedal fast enough for heat to be an issue.

wroomwroomoops 02-09-08 09:39 AM


Originally Posted by JoshFrank (Post 6135183)
These belts are essentially the same as the ones used for car motors, they will last a lot longer than a bicycle chain. No one can pedal fast enough for heat to be an issue.

From people who have actually used belt drives on bicycles (I know various), they last less.

operator 02-09-08 09:45 AM


Originally Posted by wroomwroomoops (Post 6135195)
From people who have actually used belt drives on bicycles (I know various), they last less.

Heh. I was just about to ask this question. Also does it feel less efficient than a chain driven bike? How strong is it? Strong enough that you have to carry spare belts with you when you ride just in case?

gz_ 02-09-08 09:46 AM


Originally Posted by wroomwroomoops (Post 6135195)
From people who have actually used belt drives on bicycles (I know various), they last less.



And how about durability? The belts are of the quality that see 100,000 hard miles in car engines and the manufacturers reckon they'll get over 20,000km out of a bicycle belt.
http://www.singletrackworld.com/article.php?sid=2426

operator 02-09-08 09:52 AM


Originally Posted by gz_ (Post 6135218)

Not sure I see the correlation. Car belts don't get exposed to the same **** a bicycle drivetrain would.

EuroJosh 02-09-08 09:53 AM


Originally Posted by wroomwroomoops (Post 6135195)
From people who have actually used belt drives on bicycles (I know various), they last less.

I understand that belt drive bicycles are not exactly a new idea. There are certainly some stinkers out there, the Spot system is supposedly "new & improved". It is bike nerdy cool, but most probably won't catch on.

wroomwroomoops 02-09-08 09:56 AM


Originally Posted by gz_ (Post 6135218)

And how about durability? The belts are of the quality that see 100,000 hard miles in car engines and the manufacturers reckon they'll get over 20,000km out of a bicycle belt.


http://www.singletrackworld.com/article.php?sid=2426

The manufacturers reckon. Yes. They always reckon all kinds of things. Especially if it means you have to buy the WHOLE drivetrain from them. Then they especially reckon.

12XU 02-09-08 12:46 PM


Originally Posted by JoshFrank (Post 6135020)

:love:

shasta 02-09-08 01:19 PM

I wonder what they sound like when you pedal.

sop 02-09-08 01:24 PM

If it's good enough for my Harley....

ryansexton 02-09-08 01:29 PM


Originally Posted by shasta (Post 6135909)
I wonder what they sound like when you pedal.

Nothing.

doomkin 02-09-08 01:39 PM

can you skid with them?

Boss Moniker 02-09-08 03:26 PM

Something no one has mentioned so far, the blue SS as pictured weighs 12lbs. That's two brakes, brake levers, road drops, Cane Creek wheels which aren't incredibly light (or incredibly heavy for that matter).. something doesn't add up. You can't save that much weight in a drivetrain, can you? Maybe they make the cogs out of some type of plastic..

Anyway, I like seeing alternatives out there.. the chain drive works fine for me, but it isn't flawless.

operator 02-09-08 03:33 PM


Originally Posted by Boss Moniker (Post 6136347)
Something no one has mentioned so far, the blue SS as pictured weighs 12lbs. That's two brakes, brake levers, road drops, Cane Creek wheels which aren't incredibly light (or incredibly heavy for that matter).. something doesn't add up. You can't save that much weight in a drivetrain, can you? Maybe they make the cogs out of some type of plastic..

Anyway, I like seeing alternatives out there.. the chain drive works fine for me, but it isn't flawless.

Yeah, i'd like a weight weenies breakdown of every component or I won't believe it.

NitroPye 02-09-08 05:08 PM

That MTB touches my tra la la. Although ditch the fake suspension fork that costs more then a real suspension fork and give me a nice plush air fork.

Az B 02-09-08 09:20 PM


Originally Posted by sop (Post 6135923)
If it's good enough for my Harley....

I converted my Harley back to chain after shredding a couple of belts. Of course, my motor makes over 140hp, so that is the real issue. :)

I think it's a great idea on a SS or FG. That much simpler, that much less crap to keep up with.

Az


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