Where do you live? Maybe that is a true statement there. In most places (including where i now live) you'd be right. It's nice not to think about crime all the time. Now I just think about bikes and no-limit poker (my other passion).

... which is why i will delete everything i've written eventually when the thread dies out. Years from now i don't want people to google my opinions on guns from 2008.

From the league of American Bicyclists website. Suggestions for things to do during bike month PDF.

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/g...nthracebmp.jpg

HAHAHAHA

I like how that is in different text than the other three points we can see.

eh 5 minute photoschoppe... what can I say sometimes I get lazy
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I've lived in the PNW for about 3 years and have seen two occasions on the news where an armed citizen has used a firearm in defense of a victim. In my opinion both were justified. IIRC the first was when a random crazy set fire to a woman in the West Lake center and was ready to attack again and was shot by a citizen and the other was when a woman was attacked and stabbed by her ex (whom she had a restraining order against). I'm sure the police were on the way but there was imminent danger in these situations.

Sorry a drunken late night post to be certain. Mein frust raus.

I've no plan to do the gene pool any services other than mitigate my own continuation in it if and when possible and threatened. You're over-reading my personal intentions as if I'm interested in unnecessary conflict or desiring more harm than necessary a level of force when protecting myself because I believe my own survival is important.

Whenever given the opportunity to choose between incapacitated and dead I'd always prefer to incapacitate someone as opposed to unnecessarily ending their life. I'm not Stephen Seagul[sic], Jean Claude Vandamn, or Chuck Norris however and so this is very unlikely.

In a contact situation with a life threatening assailant, I can train to protect myself to a certain degree and hope for the best of outcomes which in my case would be multiple priorities distinguished:

1. the continuation with life
2. the continuation of the life of any loved one I'm to protect
3. the safety of any and all innocent bystanders that may inadvertently be exposed to whatever situation is occuring

Only after I can satisfy these 3 variables will the life of the life threatening assailant be something I'm capable of contemplating methods of retaining without re-failling on the above.

The likelihood of doing that in such a high stress situation I don't think many people would be very capable of doing.

You'll find that according to both case law, and thanks to the legal standing and research of our federal law enforcement departments that:

"The only method of reliably stopping a human with a handgun is to decrease the functioning capability of the central nervous system (CNS) and specifically, the brain and cervical spinal cord. There are two ways to accomplish this goal: 1) direct trauma to the CNS tissue resulting in tissue destruction and 2) lack of oxygen to the brain caused by bleeding and loss of blood pressure."

Newgard, Ken, M.D.: "The Physiological Effects of Handgun Bullets: The Mechanisms of Wounding and Incapacitation." Wound Ballistics Review, 1(3): 12-17; 1992.

Short of this, you're likely to be killed yourself.

Which is why I don't CARRY, and instead carry a KNIFE.

I'm guessing you didn't read that post, but it was earlier in this thread.

Hahahaha, I'll be certain to point this out to fellow cyclists.

haha buy the gun BEFORE you go race.

wasn't talkin about you if you meant me, i was making fun of 4zn balla yo.

i was just telling a story. i didn't say all of that stuff nor did i say "debate about guns/knives katanas/politics"

lazers ftw

Don't F with me.

http://apps.carleton.edu/reason_pack...ges/339179.jpg

wow, this ******** argument is still going on? just shoot each other and get it over with.

I tried shooting everyone involved, but failed to incapacitate any of them. A medical explanation is in the links above.

bump?

You say that in a way as to make it seem absolute.

So what the hell is a bottle jack anyway?

careful you can't say ******** on policestate bikeforumz

Fourzn Ball A