Ah I see.

I found a review of them from TripleC.

He weighed the Andel's at 700gr vs 675gr for the Sugino 75.

https://cyclingwmd.blogspot.com/2007/...ks-review.html

that's a pretty good review.

looks like that NJS stamp is useful. The metal it takes off shaves 25grams from the cranks

No offense, but I don't see the point of putting NJS parts on a cheap Taiwanese frame.

I'm digging these cranks too. It doesn't look like there's any other good cranks out there that will give you a 42mm chainline without putting the chainring on the inside of the spider. Unless you pull some funky stuff with some road cranks. That said, does anybody know chainline a 102mm bottom bracket and Campy Veloce cranks will yield?

i just bought a gold anodized kazane set.

shh, don't tell my girlfriend.

My 165mm IRO cranks (both arms) weighed in at 667gr on my kitchen scale.

IROs that are 130bcd or 144bcd?

IRO only sells 130bcd.

some misinformation earlier then. i only saw 130 on their site. so is the 667 without chainring? because the extra arm length could easily make up the 30 grams i would think.

iros are 130.

With a 46 tooth chain ring and both arms. A complete crankset, minus bolts.

wow. that's light.

i can try to weigh my kazane with 48t when i get it.

130 BDC is bound to be lighter of course...

even the sugino RD is under 600 grams, but obviously not as stiff.

obviously.

Clearly.

Do you really feel their cranks flex when they pedal? I do a short, 2 or so mile climb on my morning commute every day, and every day I get down in the drops and try and sprint up the whole thing, and I can't say I've ever felt any kind of flex with my sugino RDs, my Sakae cranks on my road bike or the no-name straight 170 cranks on my conversion. Handlebars, yes, constantly, but cranks? Not in my experience. I don't mean this to sound like a challenge, or to solicit all kinds of ******baggy responses, I'm actually curious.

a while back before i built my dream bike people told me you cant feel crank "flex" and i didnt believe them. so i bought sugino 75s because i wanted "stiff" and no flex... later on my beater bike i bought alien cheapie cranks. i now know there is no flex that you can feel. both cranks are the same. spending all that dough on 75s was a waste. but i'm sure there are people here who dont believe that.

its basically scientific amounts of flex. I ride a super stiff stronglight carbon road crank now and a bonty external bb crank for fixed. Longer, square taper cranks, especially NOS is noticeable. I doubt the difference btwn an RD and 75 is perceptible. It may make a difference to a work class sprinter.....

world class, I meant. This stuff is for racers not bike nerd yuppies like me; still I want it....