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drainyoo 06-17-08 08:50 PM

Chain tension inconsistent
 
I know that cranks aren't perfectly round and as the crank turns the tension on the chain changes but it seems like on my bike that the change is considerable. When the drive side arm is parallel to the ground and pointing towards the front of the bike, the chain tension is good. When the same arm points to the rear the chain sags almost an inch. Is this much of a difference normal or is something up?

Jenkinsal2 06-17-08 08:58 PM

loosen your stack bolts and recenter your chainring. theres a guide on sheldon

queerpunk 06-17-08 09:25 PM

what kind of crank and ring do you have? some are rounder than others.

this phenomenon bothered me a whole lot more riding on the street than on the track.

Flimflam 06-17-08 09:26 PM

Unless it's a biopace ring, that sounds a bit too much/messed up - check out your ring center-ness as Jenkinsal2 said.

matt wisconsin 06-17-08 09:33 PM


Originally Posted by Flimflam (Post 6898849)
Unless it's a biopace ring, that sounds a bit too much/messed up - check out your ring center-ness as Jenkinsal2 said.

could you explain this? the biopace part. I just received, then donated a pair, so I'm just curious.

Flimflam 06-17-08 09:39 PM


Originally Posted by matt wisconsin (Post 6898889)
could you explain this? the biopace part. I just received, then donated a pair, so I'm just curious.

Sheldon, as always, has the answer

drainyoo 06-17-08 10:06 PM


Originally Posted by Jenkinsal2 (Post 6898629)
loosen your stack bolts and recenter your chainring. theres a guide on sheldon

Ok I'll check that out thanks.

drainyoo 06-17-08 10:07 PM


Originally Posted by queerpunk (Post 6898845)
what kind of crank and ring do you have? some are rounder than others.

this phenomenon bothered me a whole lot more riding on the street than on the track.

Miche Advanced crankset.

operator 06-17-08 10:24 PM


Originally Posted by drainyoo (Post 6898565)
I know that cranks aren't perfectly round and as the crank turns the tension on the chain changes but it seems like on my bike that the change is considerable. When the drive side arm is parallel to the ground and pointing towards the front of the bike, the chain tension is good. When the same arm points to the rear the chain sags almost an inch. Is this much of a difference normal or is something up?

It could be much, much better. If that helps.

queerpunk 06-18-08 06:11 AM

i've never played around with miche advanced but it's a high quality enough ring that this *shouldn't* be a problem. definitely try recentering your chainring via sheldon's method.

cooker 06-18-08 06:18 AM

For those who don't click the link, Biopace chain rings are slightly oval, to try to even out power distribution around the pedal stroke. If you look down as you ride you will see the front of the chainring seem to move forward and back with each stroke.

mastershake916 06-18-08 08:25 PM


Originally Posted by Flimflam (Post 6898849)
Unless it's a biopace ring, that sounds a bit too much/messed up - check out your ring center-ness as Jenkinsal2 said.

That doesn't even happen with biopace.

drainyoo 06-20-08 09:50 PM


Originally Posted by Jenkinsal2 (Post 6898629)
loosen your stack bolts and recenter your chainring. theres a guide on sheldon

Well I tried this and it doesn't seem to work. The chainring doesn't move at all. I even loosened the bolts all the way and nothing. Maybe the entire crankset is defective?

na975 06-20-08 10:30 PM

i tried that loosening of the chainring bolts, i find it not to be effective at all since both chainring and spider are machined indentically..

rtz549 06-22-08 04:24 PM

Re clock the chain ring in a different position. How many bolts does it have? That's how many possible positions it has. Maybe one position is more centered then the rest?

drainyoo 06-22-08 08:01 PM

I thought about that but like na975 posted above, the chainring and spider are machined to fit perfectly. There is no wiggle room. If something is off, no matter what position it's at it will be the same.

filtersweep 06-22-08 11:52 PM

I "suppose" it is possible you are experiencing the same phenomenon in the rear that we expect to find up front--- a poorly built hub.

cizzlak 06-23-08 12:38 AM

cog cross-threaded? stiff link in your chain?

filtersweep 06-23-08 01:33 AM


Originally Posted by cizzlak (Post 6928196)
cog cross-threaded? stiff link in your chain?

Stiff link sounds like an excellent theory. If it weren't fixed, the chain would be hopping.

queerpunk 06-23-08 05:37 AM


Originally Posted by rtz549 (Post 6925808)
Re clock the chain ring in a different position. How many bolts does it have? That's how many possible positions it has. Maybe one position is more centered then the rest?

think about this one for another minute.

skinnyland 06-23-08 07:51 AM


Originally Posted by mastershake916 (Post 6905354)
That doesn't even happen with biopace.

Correct. Biopace rings maintain tension the same way all the way around, just as a regular chainring does.

cooker 06-23-08 08:40 AM


Originally Posted by skinnyland (Post 6929013)
Correct. Biopace rings maintain tension the same way all the way around, just as a regular chainring does.

Interesting, didn't know, thanks.

drainyoo 06-23-08 09:20 AM


Originally Posted by filtersweep (Post 6928106)
I "suppose" it is possible you are experiencing the same phenomenon in the rear that we expect to find up front--- a poorly built hub.

I hope my Phil Wood hub wasn't poorly built. I'll check the links to see if there is a stiff one. I also try rotation the chainring to see if that does anything.

idiq 06-23-08 09:45 AM

While you have your chainring off, use a compass to go around the half of the chainring with the arm forward (the half that the chain is engaged on). Then do the same with the arm facing back. A lesser number will tell you that the ring is the problem.

I had thought about using a diameter measurement, but it doesn't seem to work right in my head. I think an arc measurement would be better. If you can't measure the arc properly (get a length figure), then do the longer one first (arm forward) and attempt to 'overlay' the same arc with the loose side (arm backward) - if they're not on top of each other, or even close, you know it's the ring.

doughboy 06-25-08 12:53 AM

If it's not too big of a problem, you can simply loosen the tension on the chain to compensate. It doesn't take care of the problem but it makes it unnoticeable.


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