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Old 06-24-08 | 12:05 PM
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THe OP claims to work at a shop, but knows relatively little about bikes/ bike culture.
This isn't really that uncommon.
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Old 06-24-08 | 12:12 PM
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Of course it's a troll. Why else would he be trying to antagonize the trackies by mentioning tricks, and antagonize the street-fixed riders by talking about how much money he wants to spend?

FWIW, I'll say the current Campy Record hubs are the finest money can buy. They're nice and light, very strong, and spin very smoothly.
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Old 06-24-08 | 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by skeem
i work at a bike shop, and i can get a discount on a hub for a front wheel (probably ... hub laced 3x to a deep v). i intend to make a 650 for my bike to do tricks on as well as to ride in the local velodrome (ill also free up my QR front wheel in case i need an extra wheel for road racing). im looking at american classic, paul, phil, white industries front track hubs. i can get a front surly pretty cheap, but if i can get a discount id rather get a hub that will last longer than i will. what hub would be the best to build up, and if im missing any brands, please suggest. thanks
A few things to keep in mind:

Good for tricks and good for the track are usually mutually exclusive.
A QR is not track legal.
Your wheels have to be the same size to be track legal, so both of your wheels will have to be 650C.
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Old 06-24-08 | 01:38 PM
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The pox on the OP, how much are those stienwerks??
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Old 06-24-08 | 01:50 PM
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Drool how much?

Hubs like that should reserved for nicer rims than deep v's
I don't actually know. A friend met the manufacturer and checked out the hubs. He just said that they're beautiful. Since my hubs are flip-flops (I don't ride on a track ever, and sometimes a freewheel is nice), I've never thought to inquire.

I would note that their company "manifesto" includes the phrase "We work hard to build quality products at a price point that most cyclists can afford." So, perhaps they're not that expensive. who knows though.
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Old 06-24-08 | 02:07 PM
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Since my hubs are flip-flops (I don't ride on a track ever, and sometimes a freewheel is nice).
Just a pet-peeve of mine: a flip-flop hub is a hub that has threading on both sides. It's entirely possible for a flip-flop hub to have threading for a cog on both sides.
Also, it's entirely possible to put a cog on freewheel threading, and perfectly UCI/USAC legal to do so for track racing.
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Old 06-24-08 | 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Yoshi
Just a pet-peeve of mine: a flip-flop hub is a hub that has threading on both sides. It's entirely possible for a flip-flop hub to have threading for a cog on both sides.
Also, it's entirely possible to put a cog on freewheel threading, and perfectly UCI/USAC legal to do so for track racing.
Alright. Since all my hubs are fixed/free flip-flop hubs...stuff.
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Old 06-24-08 | 02:55 PM
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Old 06-24-08 | 03:25 PM
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Well i emailed the company, Now that i have the prospect of having the funds to build a nice bike i may want a set of these, depending on Price.




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Also, it's entirely possible to put a cog on freewheel threading
and vicevera

Well i emailed the company, Now that i have the prospect of having the funds to build a nice bike i may want a set of these, depending on Price.
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Old 06-25-08 | 09:49 AM
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the last thing zipps are is brittle..
Compare how many snapped ones you've seen vs how many bent ones. Old Campagnolo Record (1980s and earlier) bend, Zipps crack.

You'll see most guys using Zipp rims on the track lace them to Dura-Ace hubs.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, Zipp track hubs only come in 28 hole - so it limits rim choice a fair bit.
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Old 06-25-08 | 10:02 AM
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Please go back and retitle this: "I have more money than sense, help me spend it!"
sometimes I think we need to retitle the whole forum to that.
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Old 06-25-08 | 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by geoffvsjeff
This is one of the weirdest posts I have seen in a while. THe OP claims to work at a shop (I don't believe it), but knows relatively little about bikes/ bike culture. I am calling troll, but I'll bite anyway.
1. Just because you work in a shop doesn't mean that everything in the bike universe is available to you at some sort of discount. Why not start by looking at what your distributors carry?
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take a look at your catalogs and see what they have from there. surely you wont be able to order anything in the universe. i'm sure you got the BTI or QBP special order catalogs sitting around that you can look at while you're supposed to be working.

and the best hubs evar are still going to be very pricey even at cost. i wouldn't do wheelie barspinz with hubs that cost more than my bike.
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Old 06-25-08 | 07:12 PM
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i work at a a bike shop but ive got so many mixed reviews from other mechanics and whatnot- one mechanic says phils and the other who i work with says white industries and all i know is that theyre all high end and that phils seem to be the only brand that have stood the test of time; i just want someone to be decisive for me. im sorta new to track bikes too, and my shop mostly deals with hybrids and high end road bikes and nobody really know much about fixies and whatnot. ask me a question about a road bike part or mtb's and ill know a bit more. but anyway, i just am wondering if there is any real difference between the hubs that are in the range of like $120- ive never ridden or repaired anything except my formulas. and i have an extra formula front hub but i figure im working in a bike shop i may as well just get a discount on something better than my formula.

and stop hating im new to track bikes and fixies and im just out there trying to have a good time. and i dont plan on racing in the drome for money or anything. but the track in pittsburgh (where i go to school) has a "rookie night" twice a week and i just wanna race in things other than collegiate road and mtb races and meet some new cyclists; these events arent sanctioned by njs or anything like that, theyre just for fun and a little competition so people like me can get their feet wet in the world of track racing.

1. Just because you work in a shop doesn't mean that everything in the bike universe is available to you at some sort of discount. Why not start by looking at what your distributors carry? -- the brands i mentioned are basically the best brands i can get maybe surly and dimension could be added to that list as well as shimano, zipp, campy... and all the big name pro type stuff that wont hold up to everyday use of my bike.
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Old 06-25-08 | 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by oldsprinter
Compare how many snapped ones you've seen vs how many bent ones. Old Campagnolo Record (1980s and earlier) bend, Zipps crack.

You'll see most guys using Zipp rims on the track lace them to Dura-Ace hubs.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, Zipp track hubs only come in 28 hole - so it limits rim choice a fair bit.
maybe i am buying into the hype too much.. but from what i hear about their warranty et al i would have to say prove me wrong..

Originally Posted by https://www.zipp.com/Hubs/tabid/83/CategoryID/7/List/1/Level/1/ProductID/23/Default.aspx?SortField=ProductName,ProductName
The result is a hub that can be laced radial, one, two, three, or four cross to any spoke tension, and rebuilt as many times as you feel like it with absolutely no chance of cracking or failure in the flange. While most hub manufacturers void their warranty if you radial lace with their hubs, we encourage it.
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Old 06-25-08 | 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by skeem
these events arent sanctioned by njs or anything like that
Well the Nihon Jitensha Shinkokai should be sanctioning these races. What are they doing? They should branch out a bit.



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Old 06-25-08 | 08:45 PM
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Does anybody have solid opinions on 32H low flange hubs?
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Old 06-25-08 | 09:20 PM
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I race at the velodrome with my chubhub. I win every race.

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Old 06-26-08 | 07:31 AM
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yeah i have a closet affection for the chub. i can't explain it.
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Old 06-26-08 | 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Jenkinsal2
Does anybody have solid opinions on 32H low flange hubs?
They're the Phil Collins of hubs. Nothing wrong with a 32 low flange. Great for training wheels, strong enough for tricks, aero and light enough for club racing. But 36 will be stronger; 28s or lower will be more aero, lighter, faster.
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Old 06-26-08 | 09:24 AM
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lol he said phil collins
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Old 06-26-08 | 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by skeem
these events arent sanctioned by njs or anything like that, theyre just for fun and a little competition so people like me can get their feet wet in the world of track racing.
This is one of the funniest things I've ever heard.
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Old 06-26-08 | 10:17 AM
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Gobbledobbie makes amazing hubs. They're laterally stiff and vertically compliant when laced to their matching rims.
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Originally Posted by skeem
i work at a a bike shop but ive got so many mixed reviews from other mechanics and whatnot- one mechanic says phils and the other who i work with says white industries and all i know is that theyre all high end and that phils seem to be the only brand that have stood the test of time; i just want someone to be decisive for me. im sorta new to track bikes too, and my shop mostly deals with hybrids and high end road bikes and nobody really know much about fixies and whatnot. ask me a question about a road bike part or mtb's and ill know a bit more. but anyway, i just am wondering if there is any real difference between the hubs that are in the range of like $120- ive never ridden or repaired anything except my formulas. and i have an extra formula front hub but i figure im working in a bike shop i may as well just get a discount on something better than my formula.

and stop hating im new to track bikes and fixies and im just out there trying to have a good time. and i dont plan on racing in the drome for money or anything. but the track in pittsburgh (where i go to school) has a "rookie night" twice a week and i just wanna race in things other than collegiate road and mtb races and meet some new cyclists; these events arent sanctioned by njs or anything like that, theyre just for fun and a little competition so people like me can get their feet wet in the world of track racing.

1. Just because you work in a shop doesn't mean that everything in the bike universe is available to you at some sort of discount. Why not start by looking at what your distributors carry? -- the brands i mentioned are basically the best brands i can get maybe surly and dimension could be added to that list as well as shimano, zipp, campy... and all the big name pro type stuff that wont hold up to everyday use of my bike.

For your purposes, you don't NEED the best track hub. Plenty of really nice, much cheaper hubs have been suggested. If you lose at the track, it will not be because of your hubs. Or your rims, spokes, chain, cranks, etc.
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Old 06-26-08 | 10:26 AM
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have to disagree on the lower spoke count wheels being more aero.
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