moz138

so you have no excuse for being an idiot.

moz138

also what school did you go to? you usually don't have to write your thesis until your masters right? i mean that's just every single person i know including my girlfriend who also has her bachelors in sociology and a masters in education, but maybe your school was different.

_hollister_

UBC.

And I'm not an idiot. It's part of her culture to fear police. You can't ignore that.

My university requires a thesis for graduate school. You don't just write a paper and automatically get a masters degree...good thing your aiming to marry smart while you pump gas.

peabodypride

nice grammar, mr. sociology degree.

nivekdodge

I didn't keep reading the back and forth of this post because no one seems to know why all these people were riding in NYC??? Was it a demonstration?

peabodypride

it was critical ass.

^oZ

Hooray for Holland

Captain Bad

Just wanted to clarify that at no time, even if you are under arrest, are you under any obligation to speak to the police. It is in your best interest to keep your mouth shut until you speak with your lawyer. It's not like speaking to the police is going to get you out of getting arrested anyway.

Unless you are being detained and/or arrested (if you're not sure, ask), you are perfectly free to politely (that's really the key, I think) say, "I do not wish to speak to you, thank you." and walk away.

I thought these videos were interesting. Little long (45mins total) but informative:

https://www.boingboing.net/2008/07/28...d-cop-agr.html

ndnyc212

the police are such azzholes. give a bunch of ******s some guns and all of a sudden theyre gods.

Metricoclock

what kind of fascist are you?
it is NOT a requirement to carry state ID on you at any times.

iansmash

yeah but you should, in case you're asked to provide identification based on probable cause.

like if there's an apb out for a white male wearing a blue shirt and glasses named John Stevens, and you happen to fit that profile but can't prove that your name is actually Jeff Smith.

_hollister_

It's spelling, not grammar idiot.


Crucify me then because I post too fast. I like to give blood.

ryanlovesyou

No, it actually is grammar, since it has to do with word choice rather than a simple spelling mistake.

_hollister_

No, it was a spelling mistake.

**** you people are dumb...

peabodypride

No it's definitely grammar because you posted so fast that you forgot which version of "you're" or "your" to use. It's not a spelling mistake when you used the wrong version -- you definitely didn't "forget" how to spell the "'re" part.

Posting too fast? If you want to be a valued member of any online community with thoughtful responses you will treat your posts with the same scrutiny that you did with your very hard-earned sociology degree, as we can all see you are obviously a master of Eastern anti-freedom culture and the psyche of Asian minds.

Get the hell outta here with your crackpot psycho-social analysis of a girl you've never met and a culture you've probably not even studied man.

There is a lot of BS information around here but saying stuff like "it's part of her culture to fear police" is just borderline unintelligent. Especially since you are assuming she is actually some girl from the East with a background of tolerating a police state and not some daughter of yuppie parents going to NYU, riding in Critical Mass to act different, hollering to make a scene out of nothing.



The face of a very intelligent sociology major snickering in his dark room about how he knows everything about non-free Eastern cultures.

ZiP0082

i havent been keeping up with this thread, but i will say that this past Friday's Brooklyn Critical Mass was super peaceful and fun -- no harassment from police, and it lasted 2.5 hrs through many neighborhoods, and even to the edge of Queens.

kiesterstash

+1

blamire

how come there were so many police standing around seemingly doing nothing. shouldn't they be fighting real crime.

haywireII

Generally agree, but the ****ty thing is that's how "they" beat us. Make it easier to comply with their BS than it is actually stand up for what the Constitution guarantees.

I've done both, I've gone along with some true pig BS in the past because I knew it was going to be horrible if I didn't... even though I knew, based on sound legal advice, that I was 100% in the right. It kept me out of gulag for the night, but every time I think about how I had to lay down for some punk cop on a power trip I feel violated and instantly my blood boils and can instantly see how the ideas of Hilliard and Hampton ever got traction.

On the other hand, I've gone through two arrests and both times been vindicated because the officers' actions were unconstitutional both times. It cost me about 5k total between the two incidents to defend myself. However, I never look back and go "I wish I'd just shown my ID, I could have saved 5k."

sunv

Citizens should all start carrying tasers. That way if this were to ever happen again, we can all swarm the police and taser them, rendering them incapacitated. I think if you have large enough groups of people doing this, the police can't find single people to blame. And maybe the police will start rethinking their authority.

Its like back in the 60s or 70s when police would terrorize black communities in the Bay Area. Then Huey Newton told all the black panthers to carry unconcealed rifles and shotguns and patrol their neighborhoods. That got the police scared and they stopped going into those communities. But that only worked for a little while.

moz138

Actually I'm a union phone worker and i make more than my girlfriend who has the masters degree... in Florida there is no full service, but pumping gas is a noble job. My father did it for years after not being able to find a job when he returned from Vietnam. Now he has a masters degree also. I graduated a few years ago, but my film degree doesn't get me very far. And you're still an idiot. Thanks anyway.

peabodypride

Easily the worst idea in this thread.


Nothing really to add, except to say that my father also felt the inevitable struggle of returning to settlement and finding place (including employment) after Vietnam.

haywireII

A masters in what? You left out a critical piece of that puzzle.

I'm not putting down your pops because 40 years ago manual labor was "noble." But I think in this day an age pumping gas isn't a noble job. It's a cop out for lazy people unwilling to put in the time to get a solid education in a field which they may not "like" but will pay handsome dividends.

Not directed at anyone in particular:
If people bothered to get degrees in hard sciences (biology, chemistry, physics, geology etc) or engineering (electrical, mechanical, computer, materials, chemical etc) then I, and the rest of the empirical evidence, will tell you that one will never want for a middle to high paying job. Even just a bachelors in most of those fields (assuming you pull a decent GPA in the core) will guarantee you a job BEFORE graduating. If you bother to get a masters in almost any engineering field (especially petro / materials) you're more or less guaranteed six figures anywhere in the world.

Even concentrated business degrees in accounting or finance will get you great pay. Bother to get a masters in either one and you'll probably be sitting pretty for the rest of your life.

Moz, you might want to save this post and refer to it so when your union inevitably asks for too much for the unskilled labor it's providing and BPO your job over to Bangalore or Bucharest you have a road map of what you can do that doesn't involve pumping gas or bagging groceries.

peabodypride

I am going for a very high-skill science degree and I will probably end up being a call center dude for a few years, then a lowly network admin monkey. Six figures doesn't mean much to me.

Fix Is In

What to do if a police officer asks you ANYTHING:

You: "Am I being charged or otherwise detained?"

If the officer has no charge against you or isn't detaining you, you have no other business with the officer. NEVER talk to a police officer other than the above line. If they reply "yes" to the above line say NOTHING after that.

Police do NOT have the right to ask for ID without a charge, regardless of the situation, it's your right.
They also do NOT have the right to search your bags/trunk/whatever WITHOUT A WARRANT. So if you're at the beach and they wanna search your bag for drugs/alcohol ask for a warrant, provided you weren't drinking/doing drugs where they could see you.

Hopefully this helps, just remember that you do have rights as an innocent person.