people seriously care if you ride with a brake or not?

dude, relax, you're barely tasting what the "real" world is...you're still in that new out of college phase, trust me, you'll go back to idealistic views once your anger for having to deal with life outside of campus wears off.
the world CAN be changed, don't get discouraged

Uh the point wasn't whether or not riding with a brake is appropriate. The author asserted that by definition, if you are riding a fixed gear, with a brake, then you are no longer riding a fixed gear, because, again, according to the author, a fixed gear is defined (exclusively?) by its lack of brake.

Clearly this is not the case.

And the author also completely drops the ball on the point that many of the people he labels hipsters ride brakeless ANYHOW.

The confusion they both represent.

I agree - I'm going to move to the nearest "in the shadow of a volcano" city today!

Cept you don't need to live near a volcano to use geothermal energy?

this is precisely true on so many levels, the ultimate trick is to do what you can... its all about supply and demand and filling the void the "hipsters" are filling a cultural void at this time, it has happened before for numerous reasons, only this time there seems to be no sense to it, it is consumerism gone wrong, brand new clothes that look like thrift store claothes, embarrassed to go to the thrift store, have a need to spend 20x's as much to look like parent's closet was raided? spending a grand for the simplest of bikes, with the "best"=most expensive components? i'm embarrassed that i've got 500 into mine just to make sure i have the correct parts...

thats the social side of the economic situation, which is why this interconected thread seems to drift alot, on the other side, we have the energy and employment swing...

the auto industry, which we all agree is flawed, has passed up the opportunity to progress and change with the times, anyone who remembers the bicentenial will remember how carter pushed for better mpg, safety, etc., now 30yrs later they admit that they had it wrong and now they want us to give them more money to catch up, just as soon as you give me one of those electric cars you took back https://https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0489037/

solar power has been very successfully used in seatle, and geothermal can have nothing to do with volcanic activity since water can be pumped into the earth to provide heating and cooling while remaining in a closed environment and be used in ga, wide turbines are global and can be used in conjuction with any of the others... it is now possible to be off grid and make money from your energy production...

that being said, there is little need for an expensive infrastructure, give credits, deductions, incentives of any nature to anyone who starts to create and market and service and utilize these products instead of rewarding those who have reaped the benefits of the others who were just trying to live a little better and many of which have been the victims of corporate greed

to get out of the depression the gov't created jobs because no one else could https://https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...ervation_Corps, today they need to sell these jobs like war bonds or stock, we should be able to grow, manufacture, bulid everything without have to rely on other countries, i might be wrong, but i thought that trade meant to share

in the mean time i keep on keepin' on... i wear what i wear because thats what i've grown accustumed to wearing (according to employment and domestic situations), its what i need and thats what i can afford, it can look hipster like, but i've been wearing it longer... i don't shop at stores that i know rely on foriegn labor for their products (walmart), unless they give greatly to the local community (target), some thing ya' can't do much about, phone/internet, but you can buy locally grown produce, grow your own, even, as mentioned on off the grid electrically, i've been with out a car for over two years, i do have access to a vehicle for the trips that can't be done by bike, but i have no car, i ride most places, to work and for exercise, heck i'v lost almost 2 ins in last 2 months, and i finally have a fixie like i wanted when i watched and rode with messengers in cleveland during college...

i feel that i'm doing what i can, what are you doing?

...oh and i love to ride

well, i guess i just don't care that much. i want to argue more but i don't feel like reading that article again, it was pretty boring and pointless.

i remember reading it and thinking, yes, that's how hipsters are.

with their dumb fake glasses and their flannel shirts (girls mostly) and their lame parties with music from ipods...

pretty much dislike the whole scene. went to a biker/hipster party once in chicago by the hideout and boy howdy, i hated it.

i see them riding their bikes and i hate them

I really hate them. I loathe them. Smug and superior while being totally unoriginal. I mean i see dudes riding around with neon fanny packs and i think "in what alternate reality is that cool? no one thinks that is cool. and you're trying to be cool by being uncool but you just aren't cool." ugh. just a vapid sort of mentality thats completely transparent, totally unthreatening to society as a whole, and simply a waste of time.

counter-culture used to be about throwing off the chains of an oppressive society in order to liberate mankind as a whole from outdated thinking. okay, dressing lame with vintage clothes only works when everyone dresses differently and doesn't spend inordinate amounts of money in the process. your bike is only anti-establishment if you don't spend thousands of dollars on it. what is the point of it all? what is it trying to say? i don't care about fashion. I'm anti-fashion, anti-consumerism? but i dress exactly like all my friends.

stupid. these children are stupid and live pointless existences, aren't scaring anyone and pose no threat to the establishment. and are just byproducts of luxury-drenched suburban culture, where MTV and cliques and sugary cereal and long nights hanging out at the local diner and educations that make you smart but unprepared for life and parents that indulge their every whim... the hipster doesn't want to be called a hipster because hipsters are so milquetoast and weak...

that's what the author had right.

*ding ding ding*

I didn't realize it was possible to be "cool" after high-school. Just live you life. Be happy and enjoy yourself and don't worry about what other people are doing so much. How a complete stranger dresses should not bother anyone.




(this is not a personal attack or me disagreeing ManlyDude, just an observation.)

Yes. I agree. That's why it offends me to see the people in this subculture dressed in this dumb way. I wish I could live my life without caring about what other people are doing, but mentally I have an issue with stupidity. Its just one form of stupidity that must be pointed out, and is relevant to the article that was posted.

I cannot help but take offense to any ideology that purports one thing and then does another, like all the ministers that preach against *****exuals and then bang each other silly, and politicians that act like they are acting in the good of the people and then sell the country out to the chinese, and like corporate types that go to work and act like they are totally mature and in control and then go out to the bars and get smashed off jaeger bombs and sing along to "Save a horse ride a cowboy" and have the emotions of immature 15 year olds, and so on and so on...

knowing that i am part of this, unfortunately being part of the human race, sickens me...

and so on, and so...

(what a can-o-worms i've opened, produtive though i think)

Yeah, that is always discouraging, i agree with you 100% on the ideology issue, my only point was that fashion does not necessarily have anything to do with a person's ideals, look at some of the kids in Japan, they wear studded belts and mohawks with leather jackets, but purely as a style, you could ask some of them who the "Clash" or "Ramones" are and they would shrug you off. True of people in the USA also.

Man, totally! I mean, yeah man, what the ****? All these hipsters with their clothes and their music from ipods, thinking they're cool, going about their business not giving a ****. They're just so dumb. I hate the way they seem to be judging people all the time, ya know? They're so superficial, the way the judge people by the clothes they wear...

haha yeah except i never said anything about them being superficial or judging anyone. good parody though. except it wasn't relevant at all???? so it was a total fail... sorry kid...

maybe your fanny pack is too tight and is cutting off the circulation to your brain. feel free to try again later.

I think he was referring to the article, (what this whole thread is about) and many peoples view of hipsters in general, not you specifically.


Ad-Busters Quote:
"a culture lost in the superficiality of its past and unable to create any new meaning. – a youth subculture that mirrors the doomed shallowness of mainstream society."

yeah! thanks ad busters! your totally right those hipsters are so superficial and shallow to be judging people based on how they dress or look, or what music they listen too. God! What shallow ass holes! Why don't they just mind their own business and write articles criticizing people they don't even know like you.

taken word for word from here:
https://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=superficial


su⋅per⋅fi⋅cial [soo-per-fish-uhl]

*concerned with or comprehending only what is on the surface or obvious: a superficial observer.

*shallow; not profound or thorough: a superficial writer.

*apparent rather than real.


shal⋅low [shal-oh]

*lacking depth; superficial: a mind that is not narrow but shallow.

*Lacking depth of intellect, emotion, or knowledge


hyp⋅o⋅crite [hip-uh-krit]

*a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, esp. a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.

* a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, esp. one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements

Get the **** off my lawn!

shut up!

I think most people who "hate" hipsters can probably point out a specific situation/s, at a record store, bar, coffeeshop etc., where they felt deemed "uncool" in the eyes of one.

I've had plenty of people of other races, religions, "scenes", jump to conclusions or make surface assumptions about me.
That doesn't make "hate" everyone associated with them.
To me it's more a personal flaw/shortcoming of that particular person, not a whole group of people.
So to say "Oh you're wearing a neon fanny pack. You think that's cool?"
Guess what? YOU ARE DOING THE EXACT SAME THING?
Judging someone you don't know based on simply what they are wearing.

And also I don't understand why everything has be a counter-culture/movement.
I doubt anyone who walks around with a neon fanny pack thinks they are leading some sort of revolution.
Just face it that people have different tastes. And now more than ever with the internet and everything being a click away, it is a lot easier for people to indulge in their taste.

You said it yourself "they come from parents who give in to their every whim"
So why would they fight an establishment that has given them a lifestyle which they seem to enjoy?
Until they have to start riding in the back of the bus and use "hipster only" bathrooms I really don't see what they have to rebel against.

I'm sorry but the whole hipster hating thing reeks of people who never grew out of high school or have a low self esteem.

Just do you.

Sorry. Hipster look like dorks and put on airs. Why do you wear a fanny pack? because you think you are being hip. WHy do you wear neon shoes and tight pants? because these things are "in style". The style is stupid and this is a case of mass-delusion, group think... bad design by committee... its a legitimate logical fallacy... and the whole culture is caught in one... one stupid idea compounded on the last one...

And no, I've never felt intimidated by a hipster. I've never felt "uncool" in their eyes. In fact, I think hipster bars and parties are about the LEAST intimidating places to go... I'd feel safer at a hipster party where I KNEW everyone hated me, then going to a frat boy party as a complete stranger... I once was at a hipster party and they tried to throw me out. Four of them approached me and threatened me. I didn't say a damn word... I was honestly bored and not intimidated... I didn't acknowledge their presence and sipped my beer, needless to say they just slunk away and I stayed at the party as long as my girl wanted..

I don't think hipsters understand so I'll convey it easily, like the strong male role model you've lacked all your life-

You look stupid. And like a huge *****.

You want to talk about rebelling against the system? Why rebel? because America has literally been being sold out right under our feet. our rights are being taken away and the police state grows... yeah i guess america is perfect, what's there to rebel against... jesus christ...

And I have low self-esteem? Because I hate how everyone copies everyone else? For ****'s sake... what kind of bizarro universe do we exist in?

ManlyDude is manly.

I'd never even heard of Adbusters till I read this thread. Guess that makes me the ultimate non-hipster.

Hipsters = all style, no substance
AdBusters = all style, no substance