i was not actually considering you as a member of this so-called 'group' that i somehow called into being. well, maybe your first post, which i understand to be saying: racism only exists at the level of racial violence and not casual asides and jokes. which is an apology for the latter for of racism, and, considering the popularity of the author on this forum -- a typical response from one of his supporters. but, again, i was not even thinking of you as the one and only perpetrator of this behavior. and you also apologised and retracted your original statement.

as far as the definitions of the terms, i dont see you point. i am not saying that the two are not related, but that you dont seem to understand how they are related on the level of critique. someone makes an anti-semitic comment and then you try to enact a general censure on words like 'fanboy'?? any other thread and saying 'fanboy' would be seen as a harmless joke. perhaps you should question *why* the one immediately entails the censure of the other. perhaps it is a defense mechanism against adequately investigating the former???

Fanboys, fanboys, fanboys!

:cry:

Veganaise is tons better.. http://www.followyourheart.com/vegenaise.html

Assumption...more dangerous than all the hate in the world.
I am done with this.

Just had a thought while I was washing the dishes.
Mayo never said she was Jewish. Maybe he implied it but maybe he was implying something totally different. However, later on in the story he got 'ripped off', not literally but figuratively with her lack of thanks. In unapologetic whitebread America where I come from when someone ripped someone else off the person on the loosing end was said to have gotten 'jewed'. I know I'm not alone in having heard this and I'm certainly not a racist for having grown up in the wrong part of the world.
Now, did the actions of the person and our inherent knowledge of the term 'jewed' when used in this context cement in our brains what Mayo was implying? Was he just testing us to see if her actions led us to this conclusion, making us the racist bastards, and not him?
I know he's turned our own minds upon themselves before with pretty insightful writing. If nothing else, it made me think of my own upbringing and how that has shaped my live.
Then agian maybe he's just an ass. Who knows.

I don't know. Perhaps I have blinders on, and don't see it clearly. Perhaps I don't want to see it clearly. Perhaps I see through what may appear to be one way and see it for what it is; a way to describe a thankless person that many people are able to identify with, wether right, wrong, or indifferent.

I can read it as a description of an ultra feminist lesbian who hates men. I guess on the west coast we can see other points of view.

I tell you what, more than anything, at least the writing brings people up to point, and gets them to say thier feelings, and reveal themselves and thier break over points for what's acceptable and not. I wonder how many people have sat back looking at this thread, and though further thinking "at least someone stirs up the pot with something other than brakes versus no brakes..".

in the whitebread part of anti-semitic america i'm from, it means to haggle, i.e. "i jewed him down from 40 bucks to 20." Funny how we can't even keep our bigotry straight in america. We who grew up, not in the wrong part of america, but in the wrong age of americans, must remember we're not just the sum of our parts. Here's to hoping those bigoted cliches die off with my father's generation (may he in his misguided ways live a long and healthy life).

Oh, definately. Cuz that's exactly how I act. :rolleyes:

I just can't win, can I?

Do you act that way? I don't know.

if you list: christian, muslim, hindu. what is the missing category? a feminist???? what the **** else could he be insinuating? and of coarse he brings it up because he wants to say she 'jewed'/'gipped' him. he doesnt doesnt mention the race/ethnicity/religious beliefs of any of the cool bike messengers. why not? saying the woman is a jew is obviously meant to be a disparaging remark. no mayo is not 'testing' us to see if we 'create' that conclusion on our own. he is espousing it himself, and apprently many people didnt get the joke. but that is the joke. and it is racist and lame and not something i would pay money to see published.

maybe the story could be told from her perspective. there are a million justifications for why bikes would go unused. she is trying to get them tuned up to be used, and maybe she was put off because someone treated her like she didnt belong there and she didnt feel like thanking him after being treated that way. or maybe she really is just a rude and selfish assshole. but what the **** does that have to do with jews or judaism?
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ok all done now.

Maybe the elusive Mayonnaise is really Mel Gibson.

You feel better? 'Cause this is getting ugly quick, and I really am begining to think you're reading much to much into it.

Thank the gods that somebody can bring some humor to this!

I have a perversity. I often continue to read things despite the fact that they make me nauseous. I feel really sick in my gut about this whole thing. Events like this make me want to become a hermit and puke and hate everybody. And I mean it: I really hate the walls that everybody puts up, the walls that history has put up, the walls that people have continued to propagate through history between each other. Right now I feel stuck in that wall. Alone. In cider blocks.

You all suck. I hate you all. At least for right now.

It is tax day, after all.....I'm kinda grumpy.

Crazy ****, though, man-hating feminist, etc. geez.

I used to live in San Francisco (and I do miss it.. I don't care for plastic culture San Diego). I remember walking with a (very attractive) girl.. And getting called "breeder" more than once.

I do apologize if I offended anyone with that comment.. I assure you that.. well I can screw up my thoughts when I try to put them down.

(crawl under desk)

Make all the domokuns go away!!!

hahahahaha!!! "BREEDER!" hahahahah!!! i hate breeders. seriously. 6.whatthe****ever BILLION people in the world, and yahoos gotta go making MORE?!

if i had the choice, i wouldn't have been born.

That makes two of us that wish you wouldn't have been born. :eek:

Whoa, Zing!!!

Reminds me of my friends bumper sticker "Abortion: I wouldn't have minded"

Well, maybe I was just getting into Mayo's "goodwill"gesture towards the bike-friendly crowd but I seemed to have missed his anti-semetic remark. However, after reading everyone's posts and then going back to re-read it, I can see how the replies and arguments can influence my or someone else's thoughts regarding the terms he used, or didn't use in this case.

It's funny how a simple post about trying to help others on a nice sunny day has become muddied and discoloured by all the insinuations and afterthoughts. Racism affects us all everyday. Do we need to bring it here?

Speaking of stickers: I was in SF and Loficustoms had a sticker "I park in bike lanes like a dumbass". 5 for a dollar. I was gonna buy a whole bunch.

Sometimes people will show you exactly where a sterotype comes from. I really hate that it happens but it does. I think MAYO was tryiong to be subtle with his/her(?) description of this person. But then again who the hell knows. I really hate cab drivers as a whole group. Why? Because there have been a few that have nearly killed me and they drive like asses. I do know that not all of these folks are as bad as the few that I have dealt with.
Actually this kind of reminds me of when I first got on this bikeforums thing and used a word that I thought meant something so far from what others had in mind.

I would love to slap these on all the cars parked in central sq. in cambridge.

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thank you