Ergo Road Drops
07-24-09 | 09:54 AM
#27
Paste Taster
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 4,392
Likes: 0
From: Sacramento, CA
Bikes: , Jury Bike, Moto Outcast 29, Spicer standard track frame and spicer custom steel sprint frame.
Ergo drops with hoods are the pro road standard for a reason. The most, and most comfortable hand positions available. Fashion plate types who think they are stupid are probably slow as hell, so let them think what they want as you drop them, with a comfortable position on your bars.
in case no one knows this is FRED
07-24-09 | 01:05 PM
#28
shreddin'
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 47
Likes: 0
From: RVA
To correct my previous statement, I am also not exactly sure of the difference between "wing", "ergo" or "anatomic" bends. It seems the shapes vary depending on the manufacturer, but there is no argument that drops with hoods give the best choice of positions.
07-24-09 | 01:58 PM
#29
Senior Member
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,301
Likes: 13
'ergo' and 'anatomic' are variations on the same thing...a flat(ish) section just below the brake levers where your hand is supposed to go when in the drops. some folks love them, some don't (what if i want my hands 1/2" higher, or lower?). i fall into the latter camp.
'wing' bars have a flattened top section (between the levers and the stem)...wider = more comfy. dweebs will argue more aero.
personally, give me a deep drop road bar. hard-coded ergo (sharp transitions, a la easton), no thanks. but a more sedate ergo can work. my current fave is the oval concepts R900/950.
'wing' bars have a flattened top section (between the levers and the stem)...wider = more comfy. dweebs will argue more aero.
personally, give me a deep drop road bar. hard-coded ergo (sharp transitions, a la easton), no thanks. but a more sedate ergo can work. my current fave is the oval concepts R900/950.
10-07-09 | 04:55 PM
#32
Member
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 32
Likes: 0
The reason for this is that the horizontal contact area (and lower point of contact) with your hands gives you more control over the front end of the bike when torquing it in an excessively tall gear, as you would be on a track bike and therefore obviously on a fixie. Consider that every track bike on the planet (that I'm aware of, including those with bullhorns, which are essentially the lower half of a round bar as far as hand position is concerned) follows this principle. Hard acceleration on ergo drops when you can't spin to do so tends to lead to your front end wanting to jump out from under you: The angle of the bar where you're holding it leads to forces (forward and backward and sometimes weird sideways ones too) other than those you're intentionally exerting (vertical) to counter the pedaling forces and ends up screwing around with your front wheel for you.
10-07-09 | 05:34 PM
#33
Gentlemen.
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 1,516
Likes: 0
From: Chico, CA
Bikes: S-Works e5 Aerotech with 2009 Veloce and a Fulcrum 5s
I think a shallow drop ergo bar (such as the 3T Ergosum posted earlier) look amazing and would be super comfortable. My problem with the ergo drops on my road bike is that since I prefer to have my bars angled slightly upward for riding on the hoods, the angled contact point on the bottom becomes angled too far up. I sort of tweaked it around to be a good compromise, but I'd prefer to just have Ergosums and be done with it. Besides, I don't ever need to dip that far down most of the time anyways.
10-07-09 | 06:05 PM
#34
I step on puppies
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 587
Likes: 0
From: San Francisco / Chicago
Alright, nobody's said it, so I'll dive in here and tell you you're wrong. Classic bends, specifically ones with flat bottoms, make sense for tall-ish-geared FG/SS bikes.
The reason for this is that the horizontal contact area (and lower point of contact) with your hands gives you more control over the front end of the bike when torquing it in an excessively tall gear, as you would be on a track bike and therefore obviously on a fixie. Consider that every track bike on the planet (that I'm aware of, including those with bullhorns, which are essentially the lower half of a round bar as far as hand position is concerned) follows this principle. Hard acceleration on ergo drops when you can't spin to do so tends to lead to your front end wanting to jump out from under you: The angle of the bar where you're holding it leads to forces (forward and backward and sometimes weird sideways ones too) other than those you're intentionally exerting (vertical) to counter the pedaling forces and ends up screwing around with your front wheel for you.
The reason for this is that the horizontal contact area (and lower point of contact) with your hands gives you more control over the front end of the bike when torquing it in an excessively tall gear, as you would be on a track bike and therefore obviously on a fixie. Consider that every track bike on the planet (that I'm aware of, including those with bullhorns, which are essentially the lower half of a round bar as far as hand position is concerned) follows this principle. Hard acceleration on ergo drops when you can't spin to do so tends to lead to your front end wanting to jump out from under you: The angle of the bar where you're holding it leads to forces (forward and backward and sometimes weird sideways ones too) other than those you're intentionally exerting (vertical) to counter the pedaling forces and ends up screwing around with your front wheel for you.
10-07-09 | 08:44 PM
#36
manonthemoon
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 748
Likes: 0
From: Seattle, WA
Bikes: Current custom builds: FG=KHS Flite 100 DH=Transition Blindside FR=Transition Bottlerocket
I'm running the FSA Wing Pro on my FG. Love the comfy aero tops. I'm not down in the ergo drops that often, but sometimes I do find myself wishing it were placed slightly differently. Some of that is the stem too, so I need to try a shorter one and see how it feels.
10-07-09 | 10:48 PM
#37
Member
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 37
Likes: 0
From: Vancouver BC.
https://www.bowcycle.com/bc09/images/...d-humboldt.jpg
I have the Masi Speciale fixed with almost the exact set up right now... road bars + proper brake hoods look and work great.
I have the Masi Speciale fixed with almost the exact set up right now... road bars + proper brake hoods look and work great.
10-08-09 | 11:00 AM
#38
Member
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 32
Likes: 0
Try to imagine, for a sort-of bad analogy here, trying to sprint on flat pedals that were somehow held so their tops weren't level. Everything gets pretty goofy when you want to apply force to something that doesn't allow you to push on it only in the direction you want to. Or, for a real demonstration, try sprinting on a track bike (from a stop) with both types of bars and you'll see what I mean here.
10-08-09 | 11:39 AM
#39
Senior Member
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 536
Likes: 1
for a while i had track drops, realized it wasn't very practical and switched to classic bend drops with hoods. but i couldn't get a flat hood area with those bars so i now run wing type bars. they feel great. and i don't think it looks too silly on my fixed gear.
10-08-09 | 11:59 AM
#40
Senior Member
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 1,744
Likes: 2
From: Toronto, Ontario
Bikes: Miele Azsora, Kuwahara Cascade
10-08-09 | 12:02 PM
#41
Senior Member
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 171
Likes: 1
From: Kitchener, Ontario, CANADA.
Bikes: Jamis Sputnik, Custom Cannondale CAAD8 road, 1994 Rocky Mountain Metro
Rented a bike while I was in Las Vegas last month that used FSA Compact Wing bars that were quite comfortable...if you want REALLY wide, you might look into WTB's mountain drops....
07-03-10 | 02:36 AM
#43
Senior Member
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 12,257
Likes: 5
From: A Coffin Called Earth. or Toronto, ON
Bikes: Bianchi, Miyata, Dahon, Rossin
no bars shaped like 3T ergosum or fsa compact in 26mm clamp.
If there are, they are dead stock.
you should switch to 31.8mm if you want to use modern bar designs.
If there are, they are dead stock.
you should switch to 31.8mm if you want to use modern bar designs.
__________________
Food for thought: if you aren't dead by 2050, you and your entire family will be within a few years from starvation. Now that is a cruel gift to leave for your offspring. ;)
https://sanfrancisco.ibtimes.com/arti...ger-photos.htm
Food for thought: if you aren't dead by 2050, you and your entire family will be within a few years from starvation. Now that is a cruel gift to leave for your offspring. ;)
https://sanfrancisco.ibtimes.com/arti...ger-photos.htm
07-03-10 | 09:16 AM
#47
Senior Member
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 536
Likes: 1
07-03-10 | 09:44 AM
#48
i smell bacon
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 5,574
Likes: 1
Bikes: Geekhouse Deerfield, GT Edge Ti, Spooky Skeletor, TET Track, Ritchey P-650b, Bridgestone MB-3
07-03-10 | 10:26 AM
#49
Senior Member
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 741
Likes: 0
What, from one photo to another? That is an outrageous big ring. If you could afford that Merlin you would have never been caught dead on a Kilo. If you could push that big ring you would have never ran that kilo in that configuration. Fabulous picture, though.