Are All-City cranks made by Alien/Andel?
12-04-09, 12:15 PM
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Are All-City cranks made by Alien/Andel?
They look suspiciously the same-anybody know?
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12-04-09, 12:58 PM
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No, they are all proper "brands". Branding had little to do with the manufacturer. If they look identical, it is very likely that each of these companies is buying cranks from the same manufacturer, each marked with their own brand.
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My point exactly. In the old days branding, design, and manufacture were connected. At the very least, an element of design would be interesting.
If they are all identical, the branding is meaningless. I would love to see more bikes that use different lugs (without spending a fortune), or cranks that had a bit of character to them-- like some classic lines or pantographing.
If they are all identical, the branding is meaningless. I would love to see more bikes that use different lugs (without spending a fortune), or cranks that had a bit of character to them-- like some classic lines or pantographing.
12-04-09, 01:49 PM
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My point exactly. In the old days branding, design, and manufacture were connected. At the very least, an element of design would be interesting.
If they are all identical, the branding is meaningless. I would love to see more bikes that use different lugs (without spending a fortune), or cranks that had a bit of character to them-- like some classic lines or pantographing.
If they are all identical, the branding is meaningless. I would love to see more bikes that use different lugs (without spending a fortune), or cranks that had a bit of character to them-- like some classic lines or pantographing.
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But prestige is basically just a branded, heat-treated 4130 cro-mo, if I am not mistaken.
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They also use the odd Surly style sizing--- 3cm increments--- and an indecipherable geometry chart (how do they actually measure the TT? In midair well above the seatpost where it will be much longer than an actual TT size?). And seat tube from bottom to center?
But prestige is basically just a branded, heat-treated 4130 cro-mo, if I am not mistaken.
But prestige is basically just a branded, heat-treated 4130 cro-mo, if I am not mistaken.
12-06-09, 01:34 AM
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or do you not know how to read geometry specs?
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Unfortunately, I do know how to read geometry specs.
The red lines (my edits) reflect the normal actual measurements... their Line C is extended a few cm due to the angle of the seat tube. Strange.
The red lines (my edits) reflect the normal actual measurements... their Line C is extended a few cm due to the angle of the seat tube. Strange.
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It's called an "effective top tube" and any bike with a sloping tt will be measured like that. Most manufactures include both measurements though.
I still don't understand why you think the ST is measured bottom to top. What ever.
I still don't understand why you think the ST is measured bottom to top. What ever.
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