Oh man this thread.

i thought it was pretty well known that vivalo lost their njs certification for building ****ty forks.

oh look google gave me a link:
https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...-certification

njs doesn't mean it's a super high quality part, but it does mean that it's regulated in some way and is likely a safe part to use. it does show that the item may be good quality, but it doesn't mean it's fast and should be used in high level non-keirin track racing (that's where most people get mixed up imo)

xkcd!

What's your real point here besides trolling?
I mean one fork that had rust and failed due to tricks makes all NJS frames crap or just this one?
No one that Ive ever known, and I lived in Japan for a long time, thinks NJS bikes are "god made" like you say.

That being said, ALL of the NJS builders have been building bikes for a very long time. Probably longer than youve even known what a bicycle was and maybe even your parents. Many of them are in their 60s or approaching 70s and have done nothing but this their entire career. Theyre made with the utmost seriousness and care.
This doesnt mean no one makes mistakes. They're handmade one by one.

PS: Insulting Canadians here because they dont agree with you weakens your case and just makes you look plain childish.

Dude was stammering defensive bc he started a ****storm w this nonsense thread.

LMAO. Six Jours is a frame builder, and a pretty good one at that. You might learn a thing or two from him.

As for Canadians, well, it's a small inside joke.

I have to laugh at the reverence given NJS. While most of it is very high quality, other mfgrs can, and have made parts just a good. I have a vintage Colnago with Campy Super Record, and some fresh face kid gave me grief because it didn't have NJS! He showed up at the track and I beat him equally well with the Colnago, and my custom NJS 3Rensho. By the way, both are almost 20 years old with original components. Good stuff lasts if taken care off.

My wife has both a custom Griffen with Campy, and a Surly Steamroller without NJS, and she could take most of the posers on this list with either. I doubt she, or I, for that matter can break the non-NJS stuff, because it is not crap. If you buy crap, then the crap will bite you. It's still the motor that matters.

Pffft.

Everybody knows that NJS = +500 Watts!



JK

goddammit some people are dense

I don't think anyone here is saying that njs stuff is god status. it's generally good quality stuff. there is non njs stuff that is good quality stuff. there is a large group of parts that can be classified as good. of this there is a subsection that includes njs stuff. there are also sub sections for countless other items.

this thread was started with seemingly no purpose. everyone knows vivalo was making faulty forks. they lost their njs certification for it. this shows that njs parts can also be garbage, and that njs approval does carry some weight.

I'm also fairly certain people know that njs parts aren't the lightest, fastest, or best for racing. they're finished well, they're good quality, but there's probably better choices if you're going to be racing track. since most of the parts are unsealed, there's better choices for riding on the street too.


people don't get **** for building a vintage pinarello or colnago with full campy. nobody goes "why would you drop so much money on all campy parts, there's lighter and stiffer for less money for track racing". hell the sheriff star hubs are known for flange failure, but that hasn't made people make worthless threads saying "the perfection of campy"

tldr: they're bike parts. spend your money as you please.

Your point is?

Six jours is a frame builder. Great
You have a nice Old bike. Great
You have idiots at your local track/ Great
You wife is god. Great


You are great

Your point is?

Six jours is a frame builder. Great
You have a nice Old bike. Great
You have idiots at your local track/ Great
You wife is god. Great


You are great.

so I'm going to try and actually get some information out of this thread since it's already worthless.

Does anyone know anything about Presto NJS frames? I am thinking of buying one locally for a reasonable price that has no dents. How does Presto compare to Makino/3rensho/Bridgestone/Panasonic/Level etc??

I think that about sums it up, Mongoose. Well done.

As for the rest, my point is twofold: first, I regularly see SS/FG tarksters wax poetic about NJS. Anything that might tend to spread some reality on the subject is useful. Second, I like to get drunk and and see how much whining I can elicit on the internet. I don't know if the first goal has been met, but I'm pretty happy with the second one.

HTH!

Oh, and FWIW, this type of track fork is actually extremely strong and is a better candidate for "tricks" than most of the TIGed **** you kids are riding. "Tricks" didn't cause this failure: overstressing a properly built fork of this type results in bent forks, not failed joinery. The fact that rust is present indicates that the crown/steerer was not adequately heated and not enough filler made it into the joint. This fork started to fail within days of its creation.

And thats why you cant order a new Vivalo NJS frame.

But you can buy a repainted used one.

https://www.tracksupermarket.com/inde..._image&pID=393

Anything lugged is less resistant to impact than the same material TIG'd. This is not debatable. The point of a lug focuses all the stress of an impact into the tubing at the tip of that point.

Seems to me like you're the one "waxing poetic" about how great lugs are. Unfortunately, lugs - much like NJS frames - are completely obsolete in high-level competition.

I have never seen a Kilo failure/but then again we were not bringing in to consideration the NJS(cough,cough)frame.

you guys need to start arguing MORE. I'm losing a source of comedic gold here. well at least until this season of sealab finishes downloading. then hilarity will ensue with or without you.

I have a NJS chain. It was the cheapest one in the shop. I did buy it in Dept in Harajuku though. Not exactly a cheap shop.

Well to answer your vauge question and broad list, Presto is the brand name which Honjo Cycle Works (I think) uses for their competition bicycles. Comparable to what you list in terms of certification.

You can't go wrong with any of the NJS certified manufacturers. I think NJS brands are more of a personal choice in terms of lugs, geo, graphics, paint, tubesets, etc. My two favorites are Level and Reminton; if you can pick that Presto up dent free for $650 or less, I'd seriosuly consider it. Find out what material it's made of; if it's Colombus Spirit, as some were made of, I'd buy that w/o thinking twice.

Are you looking at the yellow 56sq on CL?

Incorrect, at least where the steerer/crown joint is concerned. A lugged steerer/crown is a massive joint with stresses distributed through a relatively large area. Properly done it is superior to the relatively small and intensely stressed joint created by TIG.

Maybe the translation into Canadian is misleading. I can't think of any other way you might have come to the above conclusion.

Does Any get the feeling that Six Jours came here for a fight that never came.

yeah, that's the one. Gonna go give it a test ride and probably pick it up this afternoon

I think it will look good when I set it up b/c it will actually fit me haha. this guy has like 6 inches of stem showing. too bad it's a crappy pic, but he says the paint has gold flakes in it and the decals are hologram

I find it interesting that there are 2 NJS framesets for sale on the Austin CL (there's also a Level), but none in the much larger population DFW CL. Are you planning on bringing it to the track?