Time ATAC. Or what Carleton said.

ATAC and SpeedPlay. I never popped out of either of these. ... I am now good with SPD (not SPD-SL) too.

... May be you just need more practice.

and you are wrong
adjustments were bottomed out for tension, and brand new cleats.
im not an idiot. i actually read instructions on this one lol.

but note these are bottom of the barrel SPD SL shimanos. they arent like higher end stuff. i got them when i was on a road bike

I know track racers that use the low end SPD-SL, PD-R540, and they don't pop out of their pedals in match sprints, keirin, points race and the rest. You must be doing something wrong. Maybe work on yourself instead just blaming your equipment

I popped out of my ATACs once. It was user error.

i didnt pop out until a fee months ago. im sure they arent on their super duper races on year old pedals either that have been through a few crashes from being hit by cars that turn without turn signals either. (yes i have brakes too lol)

It could be my pedal form, but it didnt happen until recently as they are showing their age. being on the max spring tension for so long may have worn them prematurely, plus i commuted on the bike for maybe 6-8 months while i was in japan? so they are well used by now. hence wanting new pedals.

preferrably something that will last more than a year before i have to replace them since ill be in saudi for 5 or so

well, SPD-SL 105 can be had for about $100. They're the same as Ultegras, except for a few grams, and solid

Speedplay in my opinion and experience, I've also yet to have unintentionally pop out of these before.....

Have anyone had experience with KEO Max 2?

yeah they can be had around that. just wasnt sure if there was a better option than shimano out there.

Better is relative.

What do you mean by it? Lighter? Stiffer? Adjustable Q-Factor? Wider platform?

Then you are saying that you didn't maintain your pedals and cleats properly. Your cleats are probably worn on the back part that clips into the spring. Fresh new cleats cost $20-25.

It is possible to unclip SPD-SLs if the spring is set to "soft" or the cleat's lip is worn.

It is virtually impossible to unclip using Speedplay...unless you have sloppy form. But, Speedplay systems require more maintenance as the cleats wear out very quickly from walking on cement. Replacement cleats are $40.

One can physically pull out of ATAC/Eggbeater style pedals with brute force...even with fresh cleats. Even more likely with worn cleats.

I've used
Speedplay Zeros
Speedplay Frogs
Shimano
- SPD
- SPD-R
- SPD-SL
- DX (SPD)
TIME ATAC
LOOK (the older ones)

and a few others that I can't recall.

Every pedal system has it's pros and cons. The key to all of them is proper maintenance and replacing cleats when needed. This is required for all of them.

If you REALLY want overkill, then you can buy Kewin Track Pedals which have a lever that locks and unlocks the cleat.

http://www.keywin.com/track.html

The website states: "NOT FOR USE FOR NORMAL ROAD RIDING"

But, I'm sure that will have you guys lined up to buy them. One has to reach down and flip a lever that unlocks the cleat. This effectively eliminates the #1 benefit of clipless pedals, though. Clipless pedals became popular over toe-clip pedals because the riders didn't have to do that at every stop light. Just twist the foot.

http://www.dubbayoo.net/files/pics/c...dal-cleats.jpg

A review: http://www.whitegaragedoor.net/blog/?p=6

Wait! You are riding in Saudi?!

Maybe pack up SPD-SL's and go with clip-and-toe-strap setup. No need for cleat replacement or pedal wear; so you only need to care about bearings. I wouldn't bother with SPD-SL's. I mean plastic rubbing together with dust in it (and I am pretty sure you can't maintain too often), right? You'd probably destroy the flat pedals after your stay in Saudi, but flat pedal replacement would be more economical than having to replace wore-out pedals, cleats and perhaps cycling shoes. You can put em back on when you come back.

Oh don't do SpeedPlay. Dirt getting into the cleat interface would stop you dead from clipping in. Also, I think dust getting into cleat mechanism would be a bad thing. ... Everything else about SpeedPlay is supreme. Guess something to look forward to after you come back from Saudi.

in my opinion click pedal with springs in the rear are sub optimal for back pedaling/skidding. when i lift my feet during the rear pedal stroke i have my feet pretty mutch horizontal so i stress the front and rear of the clear simmilar.
but when braking i point the front of my shoe down and pull mostly up with the rear -> direktly against the spring in spds, looks.....where times have the spring in the front. atacs are the only mtb style pedal which workes for me, only thing which sucks is that i feel the front spring/clamp moving during the top of the pedal stroke.

It's not as sandy there as you think. He's not riding in the sand. The speedplays or any other cleat will be fine. Mud can stick in a cleat, not sand. I've stood in sand and clipped right in with my speedplays no problem.

replaced the cleats before i considered new pedals. while i was home before saudi i swapped out to fresh cleats both the no float and normal float versions and d the same problem. tension set to full. i followed all the instgructions in the manualfor care
i really think they are just worn out from daily use rain or shine
thats why if there is something better that will last longer with repetitive use every day ill go with that

and for what is better, just looking for drability. i use carbon shoes so dont need a platform, i am just looking for something that will last for a longer time. i mean thes pedals have been thorough multiple accidents, a few crashes, and rain and snow so im sure it didnt help

People have been answering this question for days

days? references then please?
i searched a few keywords and didnt find much.

I did however learn from this thread that the speedplay are a great option, my pedals are most likely worn out since my cleats are brand new with tension all the way up, and that egg beaters that i really dont like are a great idea also.

SO, speedplay will most likely be what i go with, as i cant chance something disengaging in saudi arabia where its already dangerous as hell to ride

http://www.nexternal.com/icycles/images/41671.jpg

close thread.

See posts #2, 7, 8, 11, 13, 14, 16, 18, 20, 22, 23, 25, 26, 27, 32, 33, etc.

^ I agree. Get the Hold-Fast, too. I wouldn't bother with roadie clipless if the Saudi road is so dangerous as you say it is. ...

If you ride SpeedPlay in unstable road condition, you are gonna slip-off while trying to engage. You see, if you fail to engage with SpeedPlay, you can't pedal reliably with em at all. If you are unlucky and you catch the pedals on your arches (on road clipless shoes) from stop, your shoes are gonna slide off and slam your groin into saddle ... and fall over.

(There is no competition with SpeedPlay if roads are reasonably nice. So no offense to SpeedPlay fans.)

If I were you, I would listen to Adriano although he sounds overly sarcastic.

i hate straps
i had blaq straps on platforms maybe 6 months ago? hated them, just wanted to add taht since adriano "offered" a solution lol

Well, the drivers in saudi are dangerous, so i need a reliable system that i can depend on. that is the number 1 thing for me.
so what would a second place idea be for you if the speedplays werent sufficient for the occasion?

i want the speedplays. just doing more and more research on them to make sure they are right for me

I suggest independent research then. I think platform pedals with straps are actually great advice. Safety first, and if parts are not readily available and you have not had good luck with clip ins straps would give you more performance.