An oversized crown with a standard size head tube always looks terrible, IMO.

Yea, that's why I'm wondering.

scrod is this the new black 725 mid? Does it just look that light due to the lighting in the picture? Appears almost grey

and I saw an older 725 the other day and wheel didn't seem to go all the way back to the seattube (a noticeable 1-2" gap). was this an early version I was seeing?

Either that or the wheel was slammed to the rear of the track ends.

it was like this (this frame is actually a Leader, this guy is just insane)
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=209305

Yea that looks like a V2.

Disclaimer: I'm no Leader expert!

It does look greyish in the pics but it's flat black. The older 725TR frames had a noticeable gap between the wheel and seat tube, even with the wheel "slammed" in the dropouts. The new ones - both the 2011 and Mid versions - are as they should be, as seen here:

http://www.pedalroom.com/p/scrods-leader-725-2508_7.jpg

I still have a little room to come forward more in my dropous but that's a 28c Thickslick.

thanks guys!

If I had to guess I would say Deda Pistas, but on second thought they look more like these.

You can find the I806TR on Coghouse but I think they are out of stock. Leader has a new fork in the works that won't be drilled for a brake but it will resemble the I806TR.

One more question, what was the reasoning behind the change in the seat collar? Is it a major improvement in design or just aesthetics?

Both.

found a site that has them listed as the Pistas. Thanks

No problem bro

Those also look like soma velodramas....

Could be. I don't think the top flat portion drops as much though.

I have Velodramas, I don't think those are them. logo isn't soma either

http://fixedgearbikes.blogspot.com/2...ike-check.html

looks like deda logos in baby blue or something

Yup they are.... deda logos.

Deda has a matching Logo stem.

almost damn done lol (dont mind the awkward setup of the drop bars, i still need to adjsut the seat and everything) and need to cut my chain

http://velospace.org/files/IMG_0420.gif

what's with the red tire if you don't mind me asking

My new first fixed :)

http://www.pedalroom.com/p/shades-of...2ts-2671_3.jpg
http://www.pedalroom.com/p/shades-of...2ts-2671_1.jpg

Is your frame too small for you? I like the bar & crank combo but I'm not huge about the wheels.

Yeah tbh in the future (when my bank account is posivitve again :P) I'll change for some open pros

After looking at the I805TR, is it just a carbon version of the S803? IMO the S805 doesn't as good on a 722.

The S805 is designed for use with a steel frame with a standard size head tube. The I05TR has an oversized crown to match the aluminum frames.