Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Singlespeed & Fixed Gear
Reload this Page >

Swappin' forks on my SE Draft

Search
Notices
Singlespeed & Fixed Gear "I still feel that variable gears are only for people over forty-five. Isn't it better to triumph by the strength of your muscles than by the artifice of a derailer? We are getting soft...As for me, give me a fixed gear!"-- Henri Desgrange (31 January 1865 - 16 August 1940)

Swappin' forks on my SE Draft

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 02-22-11, 10:39 PM
  #1  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 213

Bikes: 2009 SE Draft SS, 2001 Trek 1000 Alpha roadie, 1991 Diamondback mtb & 1976 KHS Gran Sport mixte

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Swappin' forks on my SE Draft

I really, really want to run a gold Dia Compe brake to match my Shot lever...and it's only available in very short reach. The OE forks my Draft came with pretty much only lets me run about 57mm... They're 45mm in rake (if my measurement is correct)..and I've found Pake straight legs that are 38mm. Would the handling be too squirrely? What would be a safer change to go with..40? I'm guessing going above 45 would be dumb on a track frame...?
mestizoracer310 is offline  
Old 02-22-11, 11:58 PM
  #2  
GONE~
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 6,747
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
IRO Mark V fork has a 43mm rake but they are out of stock...

Assuming your new fork will be slightly shorter than your new fork by...let say...15mm, that 15mm decrease in length will drop the head tube angle by ~1 degree or less. Steeper head tube angle will affect how your bike will handle with your new fork. Running slightly larger tires will change the trail of your bike. The less the rake, the more the trail, the more the trail, the more stable it is. Handling might become squirrely if trail is lessen.

BUT

Does any of those matter to you?
Probably not, because you might not be able to tell your fork is different from your old one.
Squirrelli is offline  
Old 02-23-11, 12:04 AM
  #3  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: im, hungary
Posts: 1,976
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Vixtor
Assuming your new fork will be slightly shorter than your new fork by...let say...15mm, that 15mm decrease in length will drop the head tube angle by ~1 degree or less. Steeper head tube angle will affect how your bike will handle with your new fork. Running slightly larger tires will change the trail of your bike. The less the rake, the more the trail, the more the trail, the more stable it is. Handling might become squirrely if trail is lessen.
not doubting your logic here, but can you explain more? so if you get a fork with a lower axle to crown, your head angle steepens?

https://yojimg.net/bike/web_tools/trailcalc.php

this will help alot. dial in the numbers, desireable trail ranges from 50mm-70mm. anything below or over that will not handle well.
xkillemallx16 is offline  
Old 02-23-11, 12:10 AM
  #4  
GONE~
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 6,747
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by xkillemallx16
not doubting your logic here, but can you explain more? so if you get a fork with a lower axle to crown, your head angle steepens?
Yes, but it will take more than -20mm to increase the head tube angle by more than a degree.

More to read over at Sheldon Brown.
Squirrelli is offline  
Old 02-23-11, 12:40 AM
  #5  
モㄥ工匕モ 爪モ爪乃モ尺
 
evilcryalotmore's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: LA San Gabriel, California
Posts: 2,135

Bikes: Custom frame

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Ouch, You just got Brownd up on.
evilcryalotmore is offline  
Old 02-23-11, 07:28 AM
  #6  
Your cog is slipping.
 
Scrodzilla's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 26,053
Mentioned: 41 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 640 Post(s)
Liked 100 Times in 58 Posts
hahaha

A one-way ticket to Brown Town.
Scrodzilla is offline  
Old 02-23-11, 09:35 AM
  #7  
-
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Banned in DC
Posts: 454
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
It is absolutely not worth changing forks to run a slightly shorter reach brake. Get over it, or get a different brake anodized.
zacked is offline  
Old 02-23-11, 10:32 AM
  #8  
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: A1A
Posts: 588
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
guess this is as good a place as any to bust my cherry...

dia-compe brs-101 43-57mm reach...available in gold

using one (in black) on the front of an se pk ripper

good luck & have fun
markaitch is offline  
Old 02-23-11, 10:37 AM
  #9  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 213

Bikes: 2009 SE Draft SS, 2001 Trek 1000 Alpha roadie, 1991 Diamondback mtb & 1976 KHS Gran Sport mixte

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Markaitch, where can I find that one? That's the reach I need... And just got confirmation from SE bikes...I measured correctly. My rake is 45mm.
mestizoracer310 is offline  
Old 02-23-11, 10:39 AM
  #10  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 213

Bikes: 2009 SE Draft SS, 2001 Trek 1000 Alpha roadie, 1991 Diamondback mtb & 1976 KHS Gran Sport mixte

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
And I guess I'll leave the forks unless they bend or break. Then hopefully I'll get a carbon fiber set.
mestizoracer310 is offline  
Old 02-23-11, 12:14 PM
  #11  
Senior Member
 
chas58's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Michigan
Posts: 4,863

Bikes: too many of all kinds

Mentioned: 35 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1147 Post(s)
Liked 415 Times in 335 Posts
If your rake is 45mm, you'll be fine with something in the range of 40-50mm (i.e. +/- 5mm) on a street bike. I doubt you'll notice the difference (as long as you don't reduce it enough to hit the frame with the tire).

Originally Posted by mestizoracer310
Markaitch, where can I find that one? That's the reach I need... And just got confirmation from SE bikes...I measured correctly. My rake is 45mm.
chas58 is offline  
Old 02-23-11, 10:55 PM
  #12  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 213

Bikes: 2009 SE Draft SS, 2001 Trek 1000 Alpha roadie, 1991 Diamondback mtb & 1976 KHS Gran Sport mixte

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Just thought of this, I'll just get the keirin mounted brake, that just clamp onto the fork blades. Sure, it's a bit more expensive than just swapping a caliper but far cheaper than swapping forks AND the brake...
mestizoracer310 is offline  
Old 02-23-11, 11:05 PM
  #13  
GONE~
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 6,747
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Is this the gold you want?

You could mount Keirin brake on the front but it seems really dramatic for a drilled fork.
Squirrelli is offline  
Old 02-24-11, 12:11 AM
  #14  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 213

Bikes: 2009 SE Draft SS, 2001 Trek 1000 Alpha roadie, 1991 Diamondback mtb & 1976 KHS Gran Sport mixte

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Well, at first but then I decided if I'm going gold calipers, I'd prefer that at least the lever and caliper are the same hue of gold.
mestizoracer310 is offline  
Old 02-24-11, 06:24 AM
  #15  
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: A1A
Posts: 588
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by mestizoracer310
Markaitch, where can I find that one? That's the reach I need... And just got confirmation from SE bikes...I measured correctly. My rake is 45mm.
got my black one from my lbs...can't remember whether they ordered it from j&b or qbp.

if your'e that concerned about matching your lever, keep in mind colored items from same maker can vary due to different dye lots.

anyway, if you must order online & can't find it elsewhere, try these:
https://www.wiggle.co.uk/dia-compe-br...aliper-brakes/
https://www.tokyofixedgear.com/shopexd.asp?id=624

(edit) btw...how you like that gran compe shot lever? i had one & did not care for it at all...

Last edited by markaitch; 02-24-11 at 06:31 AM.
markaitch is offline  
Old 02-24-11, 07:31 AM
  #16  
Pants are for suckaz
 
HandsomeRyan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Mt. Airy, MD
Posts: 2,578

Bikes: Hardtail MTB, Fixed gear, and Commuter bike

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by mestizoracer310
And I guess I'll leave the forks unless they bend or break. Then hopefully I'll get a carbon fiber set.
If whatever you do while riding breaks your steel fork, you best upgrade your dental insurance before you put on a carbon fork.

Also:

Run whatever brake you want...
HandsomeRyan is offline  
Old 02-24-11, 01:11 PM
  #17  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 212
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by mestizoracer310
I'd prefer that at least the lever and caliper are the same hue of gold.

lol...yeah.

Mixing 14kt and 18kt is a total faux pas.
MrJay is offline  
Old 02-24-11, 03:02 PM
  #18  
%#&*#%>?%
 
Build your own's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Mass
Posts: 845

Bikes: Pake,Shogun,Nishiki,Motobecane

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Origin 8 makes long reach calipers in colors incl. gold.
Build your own is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
mikehitb
Framebuilders
2
11-09-17 05:10 AM
sb88
Bicycle Mechanics
2
09-14-15 07:21 AM
diff
Framebuilders
5
09-05-12 08:41 AM
Ronno6
Framebuilders
37
12-19-11 04:20 PM
amor fati
Bicycle Mechanics
8
12-12-10 03:01 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.