Justify your torture rack
02-28-11 | 06:50 PM
#27
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I like to race my bikes, and while I don't really need a sporty bike to commute on it just doesn't feel as good riding a plush bike when your used to something that's more aggressive. Also the SS is great for winter commuting, I don't feel the need to clean it every day so that my drivetrain will keep work.
02-28-11 | 08:04 PM
#28
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I like when my mountain bikes have decent saddle to bar drop, sometimes even quite a bit. But I'm not comfortable on a "road" bike unless it's nearly level. Otherwise sitting in the drops gets painful quickly.
This one ended up with so much drop because the frame was too small for me:
This one ended up with so much drop because the frame was too small for me:
02-28-11 | 09:44 PM
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I think this thread could universally be answered with, "It's my bike, I'm the only one who has to ride it, and that is how I want it set up." This goes for anything from frame geometry to handlebar choice to coloway selection. One mans jackass tarck bike is another mans dream ride.
02-28-11 | 09:48 PM
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there are several issues with this example like different bars and noticeably different saddle position relative to bottom bracket, and bottom bloke could certainly get a flat back despite his bulkiness. id say with all other things equal that build will barely affect ultimate back angle.
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02-28-11 | 10:05 PM
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This one has the most drop, but even then it's pretty comfy thanks to the big tires. I've found that when I'm speeding I don't notice it as much as when I'm rolling slowly. So in some ways it makes sense for some to have it low
A little less drop and even more comfy (and it has fender which are your friend
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A little less drop and even more comfy (and it has fender which are your friend
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02-28-11 | 10:40 PM
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there are several issues with this example like different bars and noticeably different saddle position relative to bottom bracket, and bottom bloke could certainly get a flat back despite his bulkiness. id say with all other things equal that build will barely affect ultimate back angle.
I'm willing to bet that both Phinney and Hoy have their saddles exactly 5cm behind the BB which is as close as UCI will allow. Both sprinters and time trial racers want to be that close.
02-28-11 | 11:45 PM
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British Cycling has one of the most technologically advanced cycling programs on Earth...literally.
"If you do fancy riding on the same bike as Chris Hoy, and with a similar pair of handlebars, the chances are it'll cost you somewhere in the region of £200,000."
https://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/...ack-bikes.html
If they will spend £200,000 ($325,380) on a one-off bike for each member of the cycling team, I'm sure they have reviewed his riding position. Maybe.
03-01-11 | 12:00 AM
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Maybe...or maybe not. Here is Hoy in the exact same on-the-tip position.
British Cycling has one of the most technologically advanced cycling programs on Earth...literally.
"If you do fancy riding on the same bike as Chris Hoy, and with a similar pair of handlebars, the chances are it'll cost you somewhere in the region of £200,000."
https://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/...ack-bikes.html
If they will spend £200,000 ($325,380) on a one-off bike for each member of the cycling team, I'm sure they have reviewed his riding position. Maybe.
British Cycling has one of the most technologically advanced cycling programs on Earth...literally.
"If you do fancy riding on the same bike as Chris Hoy, and with a similar pair of handlebars, the chances are it'll cost you somewhere in the region of £200,000."
https://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/...ack-bikes.html
If they will spend £200,000 ($325,380) on a one-off bike for each member of the cycling team, I'm sure they have reviewed his riding position. Maybe.
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03-01-11 | 12:09 AM
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He isn't as low as Phinney.
My point is that lower isn't always better. There is a point of diminishing returns.
From a personal point of view, last season during training I put my aerobars as low as I could handle (see attached pic). Lower is better, right? But I was slower (slower than my usual slow self, haha). With the power meter I could actually quantify it.
Using an indoor trainer, I raised the bars 1cm and watched my wattage go up. Raised them another 1cm and the wattage again went up. Raised them 1cm more and the wattage stayed the same, so I went back down to the previous spot.
There is no one best riding position for everyone of all body shapes and sizes.
My point is that lower isn't always better. There is a point of diminishing returns.
From a personal point of view, last season during training I put my aerobars as low as I could handle (see attached pic). Lower is better, right? But I was slower (slower than my usual slow self, haha). With the power meter I could actually quantify it.
Using an indoor trainer, I raised the bars 1cm and watched my wattage go up. Raised them another 1cm and the wattage again went up. Raised them 1cm more and the wattage stayed the same, so I went back down to the previous spot.
There is no one best riding position for everyone of all body shapes and sizes.
03-01-11 | 12:13 AM
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I dont really bend my arms much in the drops or I'll start to touch myself
at least when I was body building, now I'm doughy
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03-01-11 | 12:20 AM
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He isn't as low as Phinney.
My point is that lower isn't always better. There is a point of diminishing returns.
From a personal point of view, last season during training I put my aerobars as low as I could handle (see attached pic). Lower is better, right? But I was slower (slower than my usual slow self, haha). With the power meter I could actually quantify it.
Using an indoor trainer, I raised the bars 1cm and watched my wattage go up. Raised them another 1cm and the wattage again went up. Raised them 1cm more and the wattage stayed the same, so I went back down to the previous spot.
There is no one best riding position for everyone of all body shapes and sizes.
My point is that lower isn't always better. There is a point of diminishing returns.
From a personal point of view, last season during training I put my aerobars as low as I could handle (see attached pic). Lower is better, right? But I was slower (slower than my usual slow self, haha). With the power meter I could actually quantify it.
Using an indoor trainer, I raised the bars 1cm and watched my wattage go up. Raised them another 1cm and the wattage again went up. Raised them 1cm more and the wattage stayed the same, so I went back down to the previous spot.
There is no one best riding position for everyone of all body shapes and sizes.
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03-01-11 | 12:35 AM
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03-01-11 | 03:15 AM
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In lurking a common theme/trend/wtf ive noticed is the claim that a frame "isnt aggressive enough" and it honestly makes no sense. While a track frame with its geometry may have its advantages on a TRACK i see none for street usage.
Maneuvering to me frankly is BS. If i can get a a mtb with its slack angles, upright/back riding position, and 4" of suspension to easily navigate tight single track switchbacks.
Such a riding position is also unapologetically masochistic in anything but a but a trendy jaunt around town in an attempt to generate hipster steez. A person may be able to complete a daily commute like this, but I see it as far from the right tool for the job.
When in traffic why do you want to be in a position that makes it so hard to be aware of surroundings?
This is in no way against single speed/fixed gear, just the over popularization of impractical frames for "everyday" street usage while playing bike messenger dress up.
Not trolling, looking for something im possibly missing.
Maneuvering to me frankly is BS. If i can get a a mtb with its slack angles, upright/back riding position, and 4" of suspension to easily navigate tight single track switchbacks.
Such a riding position is also unapologetically masochistic in anything but a but a trendy jaunt around town in an attempt to generate hipster steez. A person may be able to complete a daily commute like this, but I see it as far from the right tool for the job.
When in traffic why do you want to be in a position that makes it so hard to be aware of surroundings?
This is in no way against single speed/fixed gear, just the over popularization of impractical frames for "everyday" street usage while playing bike messenger dress up.
Not trolling, looking for something im possibly missing.
03-01-11 | 06:42 AM
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03-01-11 | 06:51 AM
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this picture has a pretty good cross section of how I set my bikes up all ae set up for me t ride them all day comfortably
the little gray bike in the mix with the 3spd style bars is my wifes but all others are mine
the T1 you used as an example actually has a pretty shallow drop compared to other bikes
btw most of these bike have been thru a 100+ mile day
to each there own man drop the holier than thou attitude most newbs on this forum get and just chill look at bikes ask and answer questions as needed but this has been gone over many many times it always ends in the exchange of the h word and poo butt kids on bikes