Theres a lot of aluminum there, and a cheap carbon fork, sitting at like 560g. The frames weigh ~1760g.

In comparison, my caad weighs 1150g, and the fork is 350g.

The wabi then.

It's a track bike. They aren't made with mountain climbs in mind.

That's a first.

:roflmao:

A track frame has to be stiff because sprinters can generate a lot of power, they usually don't like frames that flex too much because they feel it robs them of efficient power transfer to rear wheel. If this comes at the expense of a few more grams in the frame, it is a worthwhile trade-off for them.

Bro.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lm...iv7xo1_500.gif

My Bolt is too small for me (51cm). Should I:
a) Sell, buy a larger Bolt or
b) Sell, buy the new Vigorelli?
c) None of the above, idiot, get a[n] ____ !

ninja edit: I ride my track bike on mixed terrain. Track, long rides (40+ miles), climbing, group rides, etc.

My advice (that I will be given a hard time for saying because that's always what happens regardless of whether or not it's sound) is to get a vigorelli. That's the frame of choice for most cinelli track bike cyclists that hit the roads for 40+ miles.

ftfy

Bro.

My advice is to get the bike that fits and looks best. Priority in that order.


You should get the Vig though because you like pink bar tape and have pink Rapha stuff. Breast cancer awareness breh.

The pink also matches your always-sunburnt-slowly-tanning skin

Haha

If you like your bolt get the larger size but if you want to try a new bike give the vig a go

I am going to give you some advice. I mean this honestly with no malice. I am trying to help:

You only get a hard time when you give out unsound advice. If you had just said: "Go with the vig because it doesn't have as agressive of geometry, which is usually better for longer saddle time" no one would bat an eye because that's a true statement and your opinion is tied to it. It's when you take a matter-of-fact stance on things that simply aren't true or are unfounded or go against tried and true axioms (ie. Sheldon Brown), that you get crap.

Saying that it's "the frame of choice for most cinelli track bike cyclists" is mumbo jumbo. What, exactly, cinelli track bike cyclist? I don't know anyone who fits that description, do you? Do you know someone, let alone 'most' people, that has owned both frames and says they prefer the Vig for longer rides over the Bolt?

Do you see where I'm going, here? I hope so. Again, I'm just trying to help you catch less flack. Do more absorbing of information and spend less time trying to come off as "the one who knows." You don't, yet.

I lold at the last part. hahaha.

Also, track bikes can't weigh less than 15lbs according to UCI regulations. Some riders actually add extra weight to their bikes in order to meet this requirement, so an ultra-light frame in a discipline which removes so many mechanical parts from the bike is kinda pointless.

But more agressive is usually not better for longer saddle time :C

I guess it more depends on how you have it set up too.

Whoah really? I thought that was a road-bike-only rule.

i remember carleton talking about some bikes that come stock sub 15 lbs, as well as some riders adding power meter cranks just to add enough weight to make the bike race legal

he also told us how some of the female riders would have to tape tools to their frames to meet the weight requirement.

Interesting, I didn't know that. Thanks!

I'm pretty sure he meant that as "the vig (vs the bolt) is usually better for longer saddle time because it doesn't have as aggressive geometry."

Which is exactly what he said:

Yeah, Jaytron took it the other way where he thought Jandro was saying the opposite.