Do you have a 650 fork?

No, I have a 700c fork.

I'm sticking with the Fuji fork for rake's sake.

Whoops that was a ? For the 650c persons post.

The BB with those Sugino 75s is a 113 or a 115mm? I don't understand why someone would have bought either of these when the suggested Shimano BB is either a 107 or a 110. Buying a new BB for these cranks is a deal killer.

But I could probably buy them and make some money...

retrog says Recommended for use with Sugino 75 109mm ISO BB

but yea.. 115...

should I buy "mtn" style clips?
http://store.citygrounds.com/store/p...e-Clips-Black/

basically needed a thread to ask if they're just as effective as MKS toe clip

75's use the proprietary 109mm BB and it's expensive and buttery. you can use other jis taper BB's but it's designed around their BB

http://www.amazon.com/Sugino-Track-S.../dp/B001F73I6K

I thought 75's were ISO taper?

According to Sheldon Brown, an ISO crank on a JIS taper will sit ~4.5mm further out than if you were to use a ISO taper of the same length. So if I used a 113mm JIS tapered Shimano BB, the crank will sit a total of 6.5mm out?

4.5 + ([113-109]/2) = 6.5mm

Or are you not supposed to divide that second quantity by 2?

nah miche, suntour & campy are iso everthing else is jis

75's run a 109 bb .

wait wait your right I've never owned the damn things, makes no sense to me but ok

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i have the protype BB on both my S75s, works great, way less $

You're depriving yourself of the full sugino 75 experience... trust me I had the protype for a week before I gave it away to a cycling buddy for a legitimate 75 BB; smooth like butt'ha. I mean why compromise when you obviously didn't on the cranks? What floats your boat nonetheless.

Well I told the guy I was meh about the deal and he said he'd sell me the package for $65 so I went for it. Even if things end up sucking I can resell the crank arms in a jiffy.

So jearous. Great job!

I believe Sugino used to be JIS, but is now ISO. I use my 75s with a Campy bb.

Haha, thanks. I wasn't actually trying to get them for a lower price since I already felt like I lowballed him with my $80 bid, but he offered. Nice guy!

That might actually make sense. I pulled my last pair of Sugino 75s off of an early 2000s KHS Flite (back when they came stock on the Flite) and it came with a Shimano BB.

Interesting.

My only logic based guess as to why an ISO taper on a Japanese part is this; ISO was the dominant taper in track racing so Sugino followed suit. They never imagined us using the parts in the way we do so ... this is what we end up with. Mfg's that dominated the track market in the 80's & 90's were Campy, Suntour Superbe Pro (my favorite), and Shimano (10pitchDA-octalink after?) to a lesser degree I think (someone pipe up if I'm off on this please, I am assuming to a degree) In order to stay competitive with the Q-factor (space between the L & R crank arms when mounted) of the other mfg's. So, Sugino stuck with the standard which is ISO. Oddly the UCI is based in Switzerland and so is ISO ...hmmm. Anyway, I'm wayyyy to OCD about matching parts to their parent & sibling components to be bothed trying to figure out how to make something not meant for it work; but that's not to say other can't do that, as I have seen it done for years. When I bought my first Track frame in 2003 it came woth Suntour Superbe pro track 170's on a Shimano Un53 BB, I ran a miche BB for a long time because it was ISO and with no Drive side BB cup flange I could migrate the BB slightly to correct my chainline. With in a year a rare stash of Suntour track 107mm BB's showed up on EAI and I bought it for 100 bucks; it is and has been perfect. I would save up for the sugino BB if you can swing it, it will last for a long time if you take care of it.

I don't think I'll ever get the loose ball Sugino bottom bracket unless I get it for a comparable price as the Protype, Miche, or similar. I won't notice the difference, and the bottom bracket maintenance is more of a nuisance for me. If I got it, it'd just be for the OCD/cred factor.

Should I order a pair of Tour of California Voler bibs if I can get them for $32? http://amgentourofcaliforniastore.co...products_id=92

Should I check this bike out? It's a BCA (Bicycle Corp. of America), which was some sort of subsidiary of Ross, but it apparently has Shimano 600, which makes me think the frame might not be total garbage. It looks to be in pretty OK shape, but the pictures are (of course) terrible.

http://images.craigslist.org/3n63of3...d7ae3113b1.jpg http://images.craigslist.org/3k03m23...c0c4141af4.jpg

http://images.craigslist.org/3n33od3...a75dbf1cf6.jpg


Guy is asking $205 for it, but I figure I'll throw out a lower offer.

There's also a good chance that it's too small for me. And it has two different pedals.

Should I get an Iro Rob Roy for less then 400, or wait it out and get a new Felt Breed with a discount later on? Planning on hitting the dirt eventually.

If they still have your size, yes. Act quick, they are selling out fast.

I probably should have bought those when I placed my jersey order. Woops.

Bibs are the new skinny jeans.

Once you go bibs, you'll never go back.

Hm, after some consideration, I'm not sure if I'll get them. I looked at the Voler sizing chart, and I'm right inbetween S and XS. My small Hincapie jersey ended up fitting too big. Are bib sizes and jersey sizes normally the same?

Should I, get an IRO frame and transfer all my parts over to it and rebuild my Kilo with more commuter friendly parts?

Why IRO? I think the IRO and Kilo are pretty comparable frames (maybe not geometry wise, but at least quality wise).

Should I make my Leader's rims Deep Vs or H+ Son Formation Face. Aesthetically I like the H+Sons more but I have concerns as a "Clydesdale" (6' 220) about them handling my big ass. Would either be better/worse for a brake if I ever an one? I'm still riding brakeless, but as my oh **** moments increase I'm thinking of having at least 1 bike with one, the Formation face seem like they may not handle a brake well either, but I have nobody with first hand experience to back this up.

Sl42?

The Formation Face and brakes DO NOT go well together (thanks Scrod). The SL42 has a proper braking surface and is a better choice IMHO.