Scrodzilla

We most likely won't. A lot of other shops had a bunch pre-ordered before they came out and I kinda slept on it. Sometimes I'd much rather shoot myself in the foot than deal with hype.

Leukybear 

Err so these 2012's are going to ship out this week... while the 2011 histogram just began hitting store shelves...

calbob76

would ride. would ride histogram first

redpear

More like, the Kagero is a Leader version of the MASH. From a chronological standpoint, of course.

hamish5178

Yeah, they really sprung these onto the market. Weird. Further enforcing Scrod's theory that they're just repainted 2009s

It is the same as the original Mash, ie, the one I have. There's a geo chart on google. "more comfortable" is totally relative to the "less comfortable" histogram.

Mash->Kagero->Bolt

There's a Coke vs. Pepsi thing going on here I think.

Scrodzilla

I know. I was being slightly facetious.

hamfoh

where can you buy a kagero anyway? is it half the price of the Mash?

weird how the naked eye was able to make that distinction. i thought surely there was something I was overlooking. I read "more comfortable" and was suddenly more intrigued than normal (not a *huge* fan of the TT but love the Mash on other people), but nope. i'd hate to order from a place like mashsf to buy a frame, I'm pretty sure they just mark everything up 20% and then another 20%, but I guess a frame price is a frame price (it's just the principle!).

I guess $25 for new paintjob isn't too bad.

geo charts

Scrodzilla

https://www.thekagero.com/

redpear

Actually, the first Mash was the bolt (2010). Next mash is histogram, then kagero, then this new colorway of the old bolt.

But yeah it's pointless to argue about this. The resemblance is acknowledged--patrick said so himself.

redpear

I'm not sure I understand this either. The Cinelli Vigorelli, Cinelli's other aluminum track frame, is $850. That's the same price as the first mash when it came out. Were people complaining about the Vigorelli's price too? It's not like the Kagero were the price is actually jacked up because of the collabo. Think what you will of Mash, but from an objective point of view I don't get why people think it's some sort of huge rip off. It's a Cinelli. Though, If you think the Vigorelli or other Cinellis are a ripoff, then I guess you're going to think this price is jacked up too.

hairnet

I feel so out of the loop. wtf is going on?


nevermind, I'll keep my ignorance.

max5480

Hamish, I heard Mash reference the "Bolt" graphics when the Histogram graphics came out.

I bought my frame at Mash SF (the physical location in SF), and the owner was SUPER nice. He also gave me $100 off the frame just because he's cool. He also doesn't look like he's making bank by any means... but who knows?

It's a shame the color is so similar to the Kagero, but seeing how they came out at close to the same time, I think it's just an unfortunate coincidence.

redpear

Leukybear 

Not sure about the '09 theory as cinelli's, especially the MASH during release year, sell/ sold very well.... as I recall all cinelli '09 Alu track models ran out of stock.

rustybrown

Hipsters discuss faux-pursuit frames of yore.

rustybrown

P.s.

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redpear

hahahaha

hamfoh

Yeah I just assumed like any other shop the money isn't made on frames, but on the other stuff. I wasn't complaining about the frame price, though I can understand how my terrible post may suggest that, but rather the price of everything else on the site. The frame is exactly what I thought it'd cost.

The Kagero would be a now brainer if it was a lot cheaper than the Cinelli's but I guess two companies have to eat off that frame so it makes sense. I love how it's not blasted with brand stickers though

max5480

Truth.
It's a shame it says Cinelli on the downtube...

hamfoh

oh i thought that said 'please steal me' - gotta get my eyes checked

max5480

it means "i wish i were italian" and lived in a black and white world

hamfoh

lol

rustybrown

Ooops, wrong thread.

hamfoh

damn I somehow never noticed the massive seatposts diameters on these before

guimartin

The guy at my LBS told me the only difference on the geo is the fork haha mash hist is ever so smaller!!! never got to see where he got that info though, ill ask him tomorrow...