Hmmm...
 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...117846422&rd=1

any experience with these frames? Yes, they are new, first time I have seen them. Looks to be a decent price for a street fix.
Price looks fair too.

Not a bad price at all. I guess they've been doing good business with track parts.

I think the price seems a bit high--maybe $100 over Taiwanese construction--but that's the price you pay for American made. Seems like a decent frame though I've also never heard of them. It's True Temper steel, so I'm guessing 4130. Looks nice other than it has a more relaxed road geometry (which may be good for some, just not what I like).

The real question, I think, is this: Is it enough better than an IRO to justify the extra $200 for the complete bike or $100 for the frame?

(I've ridden neither, but I hear nothing but good stuff about IROs, both on this board and elsewhere.)

I like the fender eyelets on the track ends.

I doubt I would trade my IRO for that

The top tube even slopes the wrong way! Fender eyelets - shudder.

I like that it is made here and the price is okay. But if you want a fixed-gear roadbike you can probably buy at least 3 decent used roadframes for the same money and these will most likely even be lugged.

the price is too high compared what you can get elsewhere.
oh yeah, and putting stickers on a taiwan frame in the US makes it "made in US"

check this out:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...117513252&rd=1

Just what I mean! Now that is a worthy Roadbike-fix!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...116585444&rd=1

check the price and time left on this one!!!!!!!

I got this for $120 including shipping etc. Just a matter of looking.

Bidders are watching that Speedwell like a hawk. I'm sure the price will jump significantly between now and when it's sold.

Ooohhhhh.. sorry Surly, I may have to get one of these now. Wisco solidarity and all.

More info here

Perhaps so, but unless you're saying they're lying, I take this to mean that it's not made in Taiwan: "TIG welded here in Wisconsin from True Temper Verus Cro-Moly tubing by reputable frame builders."

Now I may be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure Wisconsin is a city in Chicago.

I'm sooooo tmepted to bid on that.
I wish I had more space for bikes....

Hahah.. Heyoooo!! Seriously folks, I'll be here all week, try this fish..

I've heard a few good things about the milwaukee stuff but no technical details, it certainly got a cool factor to it being welded here in NA and relatively rare...I'd check out their direct prices before paying $350 on Ebay, seems like you should get a fork with that for $350US

I also wouldn't buy it unless I knew more about the cats making it, but there is no info to be had except that they are exclusive to Ben's Cycles. Being secretive is no way to get a rep for good welding/frames

i dont think that frame [the speedwell] is good for anyone who isnt a collector. its got a bb that takes cottered cranks and has all sorts of funny obsolete spacings.

you are right. I got carried away by those funky lug shapes.

Way to pee all over my dreams dude, thanks...
:-P

where'd you get that bench?
collapsable legs, right?

She's a sexy orange beast.

But, on second glance, what's with the braze ons?

anyone want to speculate on the frame builder?

My thoughts are: Wisconsin+TIG-ed steel+Semi-compact Road Geometry+those track ends with fender eyelets = Waterford/Gunnar?

Call me crazy?

go back to Southie...

Crazy.

It seems to me that Waterford would be too expensive for this... No?

the wisconsin frame has cable braze-ons, a drilled brake bridge, and road geometry. i'd say the only thing that makes it better than the iro is it's steel instead of aly. otherwise, i think it's apples and apples.

yeah, that was my inital impression. but Wisconsin->Waterford was the first thought that came into my head.
you can get a Gunnar street dog for about $725. now replace the fancy OX Platinum tubing with good ol' 4130. Replace the sweet sweet Waterford paint with cheap ass powdercoat, then maaaaaaybe it makes sense.

Well, who else builds frames in Wisconsin? I thought they only made cheese.

And beer.

Could it be the ex-Trek employee who got nixed for drinking on the job? Seriously though, it's nice to see something with an iota of practicality for once! (I knew even before I opened the link that it was this frame, too)

By the way, orange would look good with your complexion. ;)