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Help me build a new front wheel

Old 12-07-11, 04:18 AM
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Help me build a new front wheel

Just paid off most of my debts, so I figured it was time to buy a new 700c wheel. I've been snooping around for some components and came up with a few that I liked.

I'm looking to build (or have built for me) a 32h with a 3 cross lacing pattern. I'd prefer high flange for stiffness. Weight is the main motivator in my decision since my wheels are tanks at the moment (DP18's to generic formula-type with thick spokes). Strength would be the second most important factor. For rim depth, I'm pretty flexible. I am concerned about ride quality but at the same time, I hate dealing with hard cross winds.

I'm not really too worried what the wheel looks like. Budget isn't a big concern as long as its within reason. Just looking for a fast wheel that I could also possibly move over to a track bike, should I try that out. I want to hear of anybody's experience with any of these combinations, any other combinations worth mentioning, suggestions, flames, gifs, etc.

Hubs:
Dura Ace (leaning towards this)
Chub
Phil (Are they really worth it?)
Novara
Formula
Gran Compe

Rims:
Velocity A23 (leaning towards this)
Velocity Aerohead
HPlus Son TB-14
Mavic Open Pro's
Hed C2

Spokes:
No clue, educate me.

Or just say **** it all and go for a carbon trispoke.
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https://www.wabicycles.com/GXwheels.html

I have Formula (o8 branded) Hubs and I have PW hubs. I can feel the difference (at least my brain thinks it can) - I don't know if I can feel the difference for how substantial the cost is though, but if money really isn't an object, then my answer is just "yes".

no experience with any of those rims
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Wow. That's an awesome deal for that Wabi set.
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Wow. That's an awesome deal for that Wabi set.
I can tell you from personal experience that they are very well built and very light. $85 for the front wheel is a no-brainer.
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1750g is hardly superlight, but not terrible either. for that price, as long as they are built well, go for it!
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Well **** that was easier than I expected.

Even though Dura Ace to A23 makes me stiff, I might just stick with that Wabi wheel. Good job team!
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Originally Posted by AngryScientist
1750g is hardly superlight, but not terrible either. for that price, as long as they are built well, go for it!
This is going to come off as me sounding like a jerk, because it's in text, but I'm being sincere.

Can you link some lighter weight pre built track wheelsets that don't cost an arm/leg?
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Good job team!
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Originally Posted by AngryScientist
1750g is hardly superlight, but not terrible either. for that price, as long as they are built well, go for it!
Originally Posted by hamfoh
This is going to come off as me sounding like a jerk, because it's in text, but I'm being sincere.

Can you link some lighter weight pre built track wheelsets that don't cost an arm/leg?
just bought a wabi wheelset myself, it is due here fri...

hamfoh, you are right & fyi AngryScientist...i spent 2 weeks researching & shopping & can tell you that it is the lightest, under $200, pre-built wheelset around.
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I've been eyeballing that wheelset for quite some time. My only concern is stiffness. They mention several times how smooth they ride compared to "bone jarring" deep wheelsets. Is that just their way of say that this wheelset isn't very stiff?
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Originally Posted by EpicSchwinn
I've been eyeballing that wheelset for quite some time. My only concern is stiffness. They mention several times how smooth they ride compared to "bone jarring" deep wheelsets. Is that just their way of say that this wheelset isn't very stiff?
Yes and no. I think that a "smooth ride" could mean hubs that simply spin smoothly.

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They refer to their set as being smoother than those with deep v rims so I don't think they're talking about the hubs there. I'm kind of in the same boat as GMJ. Lolergies aren't laterally very stiff and I can't use it if I start racing so I too have been looking for a new purpose-built front.
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ultegra to open pro 32 hole

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Unfortunately those wheels from nashbar couldn't be used on the track for racing since the hub uses a skewer. Have you considered Novatec/All City hubs? I have an All City rear hub and I've been impressed with it. One of those laced to an A23 with some butted spokes would make a good light wheel. As far as spokes go, remember you can't use bladed spokes with a lot of hubs because they're too wide to go through the holes. Butted spokes are a good way to save some weight though. They just get skinny in the middle so they'll work on any hub. Just keep your weight and riding style in mind when you decide how significant of a butting you want.
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are your gifs = fail. step it up, homebrew
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Originally Posted by EpicSchwinn
I've been eyeballing that wheelset for quite some time. My only concern is stiffness. They mention several times how smooth they ride compared to "bone jarring" deep wheelsets. Is that just their way of say that this wheelset isn't very stiff?
Deep V rims are stiffer vertically, which is irrelevant on the track. However, a high flange rear hub is preferable on the track, as it reduces spoke windup during acceleration. The reason many track racers use disk wheels in the rear is not for aerodynamics, but because they are super stiff under acceleration. In the old days, we raced on shallow section box rims with high flange hubs. I wouldn't worry about a Wabi front wheel with it's low flange hub, but would recommend a high flange rear.
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Originally Posted by hamfoh
are your gifs = fail. step it up, homebrew
It's been a long day. How's this:

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haha "are your gifs" - I failed even harder.
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Originally Posted by EpicSchwinn
Unfortunately those wheels from nashbar couldn't be used on the track for racing since the hub uses a skewer. Have you considered Novatec/All City hubs? I have an All City rear hub and I've been impressed with it. One of those laced to an A23 with some butted spokes would make a good light wheel. As far as spokes go, remember you can't use bladed spokes with a lot of hubs because they're too wide to go through the holes. Butted spokes are a good way to save some weight though. They just get skinny in the middle so they'll work on any hub. Just keep your weight and riding style in mind when you decide how significant of a butting you want.
you can always convert them to locking skewers
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Originally Posted by hamfoh
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it's only a month away.

I have that wheelset on my road bike. it's awesome.
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Originally Posted by solbrothers
I have that wheelset on my road bike. it's awesome.
u need a pedalroom now!
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