When I was frame shopping I was frequently advised that the Kilo frameset isn't that great if you want to build a bike from the frame up. It's mainly popular because it's a good complete for a low price - the frame isn't anything that remarkable though.

What's your budget, by the way? From the choices so far, I assume you prefer steel.

Consider a Rush? Cycle club sports still has some white ones for $250 (no fork included) if you're budget could work with that. There's a chance you'll get the older rush which AFAIK just has different decals and dropouts. Still, it's lightweight heat treated double butted chromoly steel (Tange Prestige) which is really nice and light tubing for the price.

Just trying to get more people in your Rush club eh?!

I mean, without the tools, or the knowledge, building a bike can cost a lot more than the OP may be willing to spend. A $250 frame can end up upwards of a $800 build, even when trying to keep costs fairly low (factor in labor and/or tools)

Then baby rush it is: https://www.pakebikes.com/product/C69...el+Track+Frame


$167.93

Wow that's cheap, now I kinda want one...

Thanks for the replies, advice, and recommendations everyone.

Though that Sette is dirt cheap, and the one size, 54cm would fit me as the top tube seems to be more like a 57cm frame, once it is in the cart they kick in the $43 shipping charge which puts it up to $130.

In the end, I just went with an Eighth Inch Scrambler V3 - frame, fork, threadless headset, seatpost, seat collar for $149.50 with free shipping. Seemed like a good deal. I went with the Raw finish. Thanks again!

Whats up with those graphics on that SE, looks like something from huffy, circa 1992

"ready to go" as far as a completed frame set since the fork/headset is already installed to the frame

The SE is lugged and has nicer dropouts. I remember reading Scrod had one a long time ago and he said it was of relative solid quality.

Ah, I understand now.

Might be jumping in a little late . I believe both frames are manufactured by Maxway , maybe someone could verify ?

Can it fit a threaded fork from cycle club sport

The SE is a Maxway frame. Not sure what other frame you're referring to.

I own both, SE has Maxway stamp on drop outs, Kilo is not built by Maxway.

I didn't see any threaded forks @ cycleclubsport but it'll take 1" threaded fork/headset.

SWEET... GOODNESS...

I need that frame so it can match my pants :

I lol'd irl at those pants. Please wear them next time we go riding.

They would look sick if they were skinny jeans. Just picture me doing sw8 skids or spinning fast with giant blue flames on my legs.

Oh my god, they're reflective.

Get your phat pants here: https://www.kustomclothing.com.my/cat...mes-p-312.html

I already placed my order for this beez:

$142?? Are you ***ing kidding me?

Also, they spell "custom" with a "k." So you know it's definitely cool.

Kustom amps rule. Tuck and roll baby

I had one of those (guitar version) back in the 80's - great amps!!

Is there any serious argument behind it ..other than it is BD product.

I do not have any serious pro-Kilo arguments and this is why I'm curious what can be against..

Compare to Wabi classic and if we are talking only about weight they seemed to be very close.
Kilo TT Pro is 20-20.2 lbs with clipless pedals. and w/o rear brake
Wabi is 18.4 without pedals. It will be 18.9 with them.
Wabi wheels are 1750g and Kilo Pro 2400g (according to the papers I will check it in couple of days).
Almost 1.5 lbs xtra on Kilo just because of wheels..

Of course there are other characteristics of the frame besides weight..but how much they noticible in everyday normal riding?

Of course if Wabi frame would be $200 and Kilo $150 I would go for the name...but it is not the case.

Cuz it's practically a free frame if you buy the complete and compare to retail prices for the components.

Buying just the frame and buying components a la carte is much less of a deal. Might as well get a little better frame for a little more money if you're buying just frame. Get that Rush for $250, add a $99 fork for instance and have a nicer ride for $150 more than getting a Kilo frameset.

But you have those extra $150 for the wheelset...
Let me re-phrase Kilo frame + 1700 g decent wheelset VS. Rush frame + 2400 g so-so wheelset?


I will take the better wheels and save on the frame if I'm under the budget..

Kilo frameset + Wabi wheels = +$370
Rush frameset + inexpensive wheels (DP18, Sun M13, CXP22) = +$450

Add the $80 difference to your Kilo budget and you still can't really get better wheels unless you add another $100 to look at DA/Phil wheelsets. In the end the Wabi's are comparatively more associated with the inexpensive budget wheelsets than the higher-end DA/Phil wheelsets. So the question I am poking at is if you think the Rush is $80 better than the Kilo, because I feel that the Wabi's are in the same boat as every other forumla/novatec hubbed rim in the game.