Currently on my leader 735 from the top of the saddle to the flats of my rb021 bars is about 5-6 inches. Closer to 5. And in the horns is closer to 6.5 inches. I used to have a Brooks Team Pro but on the tip of the saddle had a little hump that just dug into my groin and I couldn't handle it. Other than that it was a good saddle. The fizik I have now blows.

So, which is better for large saddle to bar drop but also good with distance riding (50+miles). The Brooks Swift or Swallow? I hear mixed opinions on which is better.

Included photos if that helps. With the drops is even more saddle to bar drop, but only used for the track. Nittos are daily use.

The swallow is more of a "modern" saddle, thinner than the swift and with longer rails for a greater amount of horizontal adjustment for setback. So theoretically, the swallow would make the better choice.

Neither

hussh. At least he isn't going for a B17.

Take a look at the B67 and the B18.

Great for massive amounts of saddle to bar drop.

Edit: oh goddammit.

That's just about the opposite of what the Brooks website says. The Swallow was originally patented in 1937 and is a much older design than the Swift, which is a relatively modern take on the classic Brooks design.

I also have quite a bit of drop from saddle to bars. Here is a close up of my Brooks Swift, as installed:
https://www.pedalroom.com/p/phil-barg...sc-10752_7.jpg (link instead because the pic was too large)

Not sure where the hump that bothered you is actually located, but if you need another angle of the swift, let me know.

Thanks for your detailed input and reasoning.

Fixed your thread title for ya. I spent a second asking myself, "what the hell is a Brools saddle?"

That angle is great and I believe the swifts are flatter on top than the team pros, and b17s for sure.

I know very little about Brooks saddles but would like to learn, why not a B17. Is there something wrong with that model (aside from being the cheapest) or is it wrong for this application? Maybe I am just missing an inside joke?

B17s are terrible on bikes with any kind of saddle to bar drop. A Brooks of any kind would be terrible with the amount of drop on OP's bike, but that's just my worthless opinion.

Thanks, that makes sense. That is why they are popular with the more upright styles like touring bikes.

Definitely the swallow if you're set on getting a brooks. I'd get a Toupe or Arione for that bike, though. Matches the style better.

Which he will realize within two weeks of getting one.

I dont think he will find anything very comfortable with the bar that low. He'll just be crushing his taint.

Wouldn't they both be bad choices? Aren't those types of saddles designed to be at the same height as the handlebars?

not necessarily

I have the arione now, and with shorts its still pretty awful.

Don't be a dick, you're first post was just pointless if you're not going to add anything to the discussion.

He's not being a dick, he's trying to save yours.

Hey, that hurts hairnet.

If I was going to be a dick I'd tell you that your bike looks completely jackass and your frame is too small. My addition to the discussion was that neither of the saddles you're considering will work well on your bike.

With or without your last opinions you're a dick, get off your high horse.

I thought the swift was for more saddle to bar drop. A friend rides one with just a little less drop and loves it. But I don't know anyone with a swallow.

That's fire.