you're gonna have a bad time.

Dude, why do you have to be such a dick? We're obviously supposed to be blowing smoke up the OP's ass because he's going to buy a Brooks regardless of what we say.

Now be fair Scrod ... not only is he going to buy a Brooks, he's already decided which one he wants, we're just too thick to give the right advice. Personally, I'm still trying to work out whether he actually rides those things and if he does, how long he lasts (cue claims of double centuries and a successful Paris-Brest-Paris).

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The Swallow is a very old school saddle. The Swift is a little shorter, wider and taller than the Swallow. It's more comparable to a Pro. I don't believe any Brooks road saddle has any more fore/aft adjustment than any other. Not sure where you read that.

I would not recommend a Brooks for the OP's bike. I would recommend he learn that NDS photos are stupid, though.

I don't recall saying I was set on one. I'm asking for advice, not trolling and smartass replies.

You're confusing our advice as trolling because you're already set on a brooks.
Saddles designed a hundred ****ing years ago don't work well on bikes with two ****ing feet of bar drop.

Unless of course your friend says so.

Am I still a dick?

I've recently change out my road bike for a B17 and it works great. I have the bars about 1- 1.5" below the saddle height. Not a huge drop.

Calm down. No one is trolling you, they are giving you (smart) advice. Neither of those saddles are going to be good with that much drop, period. If you're really set on one of them, go for it, but there are much better options.

It's an odd looking bike. The saddle to bar drop is extreme - and I question the reasoning behind it. I'd recommend getting the Brooks Swallow, selling that bike, and using the proceeds toward a proper-fitting bike to go with the nice saddle. Of course, I have built bikes around a saddle that I like before...

Its a small frame, but I don't mind the drop with other saddles. The brooks has the pressure point and the fizik chafes. I'd prefer a brooks to cut out wearing shorts but I'm not stuck on it like I keep being told. This was a simple question about brooks I asked. I can always stick to the turbo. How is it odd looking?

Maybe... Just maybe... You should try a modern saddle designed for saddle to bar drop. Have you tried any Specialized saddles?

Cut outs do not help with saddle drop. They are there to release pressure on your perineum. Brooks saddles are meant to be tilted up slightly, regardless of model.

This. I was dead set on a Brooks, but a friend convinced me to keep my options open. I tried a bunch of different stuff, and I went with a Carbon/Ti Specialized Alias. Its the best saddle I have ever ridden by far.

I'm not big on Specialized bikes, but they do saddles so right.

I tend toward the "form should follow function" school of thought. So, I'm trying to decide what function you intended when you set the bike up that way... It appears to be for racing, where aerodynamics dominate, and where you'll be needing to generate pretty high power in sprints.

It's odd to think about Brooks saddles for that application today.

That was my line of thinking...

I wasn't talking about a perennial cut out. I meant stop wearing shorts.

I haven't tried any of there saddles, I'll look into the Alias.

The alias looks very different from what you've been looking at. Take a look at their flag ship road saddles; the Toupe, the Romin, and the Romin Evo.

I recommend a frame that actually fits..

I'm 6'3" with a 31" inseam so I'm outside the bell curve and my back thanks me with a little more saddle bar drop, having said that I mean a little more i.e. like 2" vs. the 1"-1.5" that is recommended.

In my case the swift doesn't fit my a$$ in any way it's one of the most painful saddles out there. If I were you I'd buy the swallow if you do it right it'll support you junk while you do the silly saddle bar drop, the swift will press into you perineum making "things" more difficult..

In the end I'd buy a frame that fits, outfit it with a B17 or Swift for day to day, then when/if you hit the track a nice negative stem and whatever crap light saddle you can find for the limited time your there.

Why not try something like this?
https://www.crowcycleco.com/featured-...ke-saddle.html

It's a similar design to the swallow, but is 1/3 the cost. Plus, it has a cut out in case that helps your situation.

Because it would still be awful for that much saddle to bar drop. In fact, it would probably be worse since it's ****tier quality than a Brooks.