Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Singlespeed & Fixed Gear
Reload this Page >

Bouncing and skidding

Notices
Singlespeed & Fixed Gear "I still feel that variable gears are only for people over forty-five. Isn't it better to triumph by the strength of your muscles than by the artifice of a derailer? We are getting soft...As for me, give me a fixed gear!"-- Henri Desgrange (31 January 1865 - 16 August 1940)

Bouncing and skidding

Old 08-02-14 | 05:55 PM
  #1  
Wallonthefloor's Avatar
Thread Starter
Full Member
10 Anniversary
 
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 265
Likes: 29
From: Pittsburgh, PA

Bikes: All-City Big Block, Giant Bowery, KHS Flite 100

Bouncing and skidding

I have had a fixed gear for about a month and have already skidded out my slick back tire. When I was learning to skid I would bounce the rear wheel and skid somewhat but mostly bounce a few times. Is this really bad for the tire in terms of longevity or is skidding worse. Im going to try and make this new tire last by backpedaling and limiting my skids as it is higher quality (150tpi) but the bunny hops are fun.

Last edited by Wallonthefloor; 08-02-14 at 06:17 PM.
Wallonthefloor is offline  
Reply
Old 08-02-14 | 06:15 PM
  #2  
Leukybear's Avatar
THE STUFFED
Titanium Club Membership
15 Anniversary
 
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 12,671
Likes: 21
From: San Francisco, CA

Bikes: R. Sachs Simplicity; EAI Bareknuckle; Madone SLR9 Gen 8

Originally Posted by Wallonthefloor
I have had a fixed gear for about a month and have already skidded out my slick back tire. When I was learning to skid I would bounce the rear wheel and skid somewhat but mostly bounce a few times. Is this really bad for the tire in terms of longevity or is skidding worse. Im going to try and make this new tire last as it is higher quality (150tpi)
Bunny hopping is significantly better for the longevity of the tire. Can't say that for the wheel staying true however...

You don't have to skid stop every single time. Try using more backpedaling/pressure if you don't wish to have to replace your tire every month.

Also it'll help to replace your rear with a beefier skid oriented tire such as a soma everwear
Leukybear is offline  
Reply
Old 08-02-14 | 07:37 PM
  #3  
europa's Avatar
Grumpy Old Bugga
 
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 4,229
Likes: 9
From: Adelaide, AUSTRALIA

Bikes: Hillbrick, Malvern Star Oppy S2, Europa (R.I.P.)

Use a rear brake.
Oh hang on, that's not cool.
europa is offline  
Reply
Old 08-02-14 | 08:20 PM
  #4  
Wallonthefloor's Avatar
Thread Starter
Full Member
10 Anniversary
 
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 265
Likes: 29
From: Pittsburgh, PA

Bikes: All-City Big Block, Giant Bowery, KHS Flite 100

Nope I wont ride with rear brakes. That will mess up the paintjob.

Attached Images
File Type: jpg
0522141328.jpg (99.2 KB, 233 views)
Wallonthefloor is offline  
Reply
Old 08-02-14 | 10:03 PM
  #5  
Senior Member
 
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 2,835
Likes: 1
From: Incheon, South Korea

Bikes: Nothing amazing... cheap old 21 speed mtb

Brake pads are cheap. Tires and wheels cost more. If its cost you are worried about I'd just run a rear brake. You don't have to use it, but if for some reason you do need it, its there. Brakes work. Bikes have had them for a hundred years,
krobinson103 is offline  
Reply
Old 08-04-14 | 12:22 AM
  #6  
Top Gunner's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 125
Likes: 0
From: Denver, CO
Check your gear ratio as it pertains to skid patches. I was riding 48X16 for a while (1 skid patch), and I was replacing or rotating my tires frequently. I switched to a 48x17 (17 skid patches) on one bike, and 44x15 (15 skid patches) on my other bike, and both tires have lasted over a year, riding almost daily. I do ride brakeless, but I don't skid excessively. I skip-stop when necessary, but primarily use resistance to slow down.

If you don't know what a skid patch is, or how to calculate it, see link below.

Fixed Gear Bicycles for the Road

This calculator also makes it really easy. Since you're only riding one gear, just enter one number for both min/max chainring (how many teeth are on your chainring), and one number for both min/max cog (number of teeth on your rear cog).

BikeCalc.com - Skid Patch Chart Calculator

Last edited by Top Gunner; 08-04-14 at 12:28 AM.
Top Gunner is offline  
Reply
Old 08-04-14 | 05:30 AM
  #7  
bmontgomery87's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 997
Likes: 0
From: Roanoke, Va

Bikes: 2013 leader 721. 2015 leader 725. 2012 fuji feather

Originally Posted by krobinson103
Brake pads are cheap. Tires and wheels cost more. If its cost you are worried about I'd just run a rear brake. You don't have to use it, but if for some reason you do need it, its there. Brakes work. Bikes have had them for a hundred years,

ruining a nice set of rims by using a brake isn't cheap either.
nothing wrong with riding brakeless, the guy just needs to learn to limit his skids, and run a thickslick or a tire made for that sort of thing.

i ride daily, and can't imagine going through a tire in a month.
bmontgomery87 is offline  
Reply
Old 08-04-14 | 09:22 AM
  #8  
Nagrom_'s Avatar
Fixie Infamous
Titanium Club Membership
10 Anniversary
 
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 10,480
Likes: 28
Originally Posted by bmontgomery87
ruining a nice set of rims by using a brake isn't cheap either.
Literally the worst argument I have ever read for riding brakeless.

You realize a rim costs about as much as a tire?
__________________
Originally Posted by seau grateau
No offense but you're an idiot.
PedalRoom
Nagrom_ is offline  
Reply
Old 08-04-14 | 09:36 AM
  #9  
bmontgomery87's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 997
Likes: 0
From: Roanoke, Va

Bikes: 2013 leader 721. 2015 leader 725. 2012 fuji feather

Originally Posted by Nagrom_
Literally the worst argument I have ever read for riding brakeless.

You realize a rim costs about as much as a tire?

If you want to rebuild your wheels every few months. I dunno about you but I can change my tire significantly quicker than i can lace up a rim and get it running true. Plus decent rims would be in the 60-80 dollar range I believe, I haven't ran any tires that cost that much.

I know that brake pads are cheap, but most people who ride brakeless do so because they enjoy it, not to save 5 dollars per month on brake pads.
bmontgomery87 is offline  
Reply
Old 08-04-14 | 10:25 AM
  #10  
Germany_chris's Avatar
I’m a little Surly
 
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 2,436
Likes: 1,321
From: Near the district

Bikes: Two Cross Checks, Karate Monkey, Disc Trucker, and a VO Randonneur

And you'll wear out a rim every decade or so.
Germany_chris is offline  
Reply
Old 08-04-14 | 10:34 AM
  #11  
bmontgomery87's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 997
Likes: 0
From: Roanoke, Va

Bikes: 2013 leader 721. 2015 leader 725. 2012 fuji feather

Originally Posted by Germany_chris
And you'll wear out a rim every decade or so.

i was speaking more along the lines of having a rim that looks nice.
or having a high performance rim that isn't machined, and therefore not designed to have brakes rubbing against it.

the guy came in here asking about tire life, not about using brakes.

lets not turn this into a brakes vs no brakes discussion. that's happened enough and we all know brakes are for woosies
bmontgomery87 is offline  
Reply
Old 08-04-14 | 10:40 AM
  #12  
Germany_chris's Avatar
I’m a little Surly
 
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 2,436
Likes: 1,321
From: Near the district

Bikes: Two Cross Checks, Karate Monkey, Disc Trucker, and a VO Randonneur

I got annoyed at the artful photo of a mass produced Giant as an excuse for not running a back brake. Had it been an boutique, historic, or unique bike I'd get it but it's none of those things it's just a run of the mill bike like my Trek. I don't care if you use brakes or you don't just don't complain about skidding and your tires if you have a perfectly viable front brake as he does.
Germany_chris is offline  
Reply
Old 08-04-14 | 11:02 AM
  #13  
SquidPuppet's Avatar
Calamari Marionette Ph.D
 
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 7,861
Likes: 41
From: Coeur d' Alene

Bikes: 3 Chinese Gas Pipe Nerdcycles and 2 Chicago Electroforged Boat Anchors

Why is the OP even skidding in the first place********************

He has a front brake and that provides all the braking power he could ever need?
SquidPuppet is offline  
Reply
Old 08-04-14 | 11:57 AM
  #14  
GENESTARWIND's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 1,938
Likes: 15
From: las vegas

Bikes: purty blue undefeated II 57cm

this forum sucks lately.
GENESTARWIND is offline  
Reply
Old 08-04-14 | 12:24 PM
  #15  
Scrodzilla's Avatar
Your cog is slipping.
Titanium Club Membership
Sheldon Brown Memorial - Titanium
15 Anniversary
 
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 26,053
Likes: 100
From: Beverly MA

Bikes: EAI Bareknuckle

Originally Posted by GENESTARWIND
this forum sucks lately.
Yeah it does.

Originally Posted by Wallonthefloor
Nope I wont ride with rear brakes. That will mess up the paintjob.
And that's a perfect example.
Scrodzilla is offline  
Reply
Old 08-04-14 | 12:35 PM
  #16  
Wallonthefloor's Avatar
Thread Starter
Full Member
10 Anniversary
 
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 265
Likes: 29
From: Pittsburgh, PA

Bikes: All-City Big Block, Giant Bowery, KHS Flite 100

I have sorta 'ruined' my front wheel by using a brake on it. Both came painted and looked nice and shiny black. The rear rim still looks nice. I do have the power and strength to backpedal with care and use my front brake. The thread is about bouncing. imagine coming down a hill, curved bridge or something with a grade and you are in your toe clips off your seat and you want to slow down, I usually skid bounce. It freaks out my girlfriend riding on her roadie behind me but I have complete control. I'm still wondering, how terrible is this 'skid bounce' on tire wear 23's 120 psi?
Attached Images
File Type: jpg
0522141311.jpg (105.1 KB, 144 views)

Last edited by Wallonthefloor; 08-04-14 at 02:02 PM.
Wallonthefloor is offline  
Reply
Old 08-04-14 | 12:39 PM
  #17  
GENESTARWIND's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 1,938
Likes: 15
From: las vegas

Bikes: purty blue undefeated II 57cm

do you mean skip stopping? ive never bounced while skip stopping....besides if you have a front brake USE IT.
GENESTARWIND is offline  
Reply
Old 08-04-14 | 12:50 PM
  #18  
Junior Member
 
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 13
Likes: 0
From: Chi & SF

Bikes: 7.1FX, 7.2FX, 7.4FX, Fuji feather

are looks more important than stopping power/performance? or am i missing something?
xtoefield is offline  
Reply
Old 08-04-14 | 12:53 PM
  #19  
GENESTARWIND's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 1,938
Likes: 15
From: las vegas

Bikes: purty blue undefeated II 57cm

Cant stop, Dont want to.
GENESTARWIND is offline  
Reply
Old 08-04-14 | 12:55 PM
  #20  
Senior Member
10 Anniversary
 
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 1,067
Likes: 27
From: Vermont

Bikes: Tanglefoot Hardtack, Riv Sam Hillborne, a Purple Waterford

how many licks does it take to get to the center of a...brake lever
Wspsux is offline  
Reply
Old 08-04-14 | 01:01 PM
  #21  
Scrodzilla's Avatar
Your cog is slipping.
Titanium Club Membership
Sheldon Brown Memorial - Titanium
15 Anniversary
 
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 26,053
Likes: 100
From: Beverly MA

Bikes: EAI Bareknuckle

Originally Posted by Wallonthefloor
The thread is about bouncing. imagine coming down a hill, curved bridge or something with a grade and you are in your toe clips off your seat and you want to slow down, I usually skid bounce, like bounce, bounce, bounce. It freaks out my girlfriend riding roadie behind me but I have complete control
I can't wait until you post a thread talking about how your girlfriend crashed into you.

And, yeah...it's called skip skidding. "Bouncing" is something boobs do.
Scrodzilla is offline  
Reply
Old 08-04-14 | 01:05 PM
  #22  
TejanoTrackie's Avatar
Veteran Racer
Titanium Club Membership
15 Anniversary
 
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 11,854
Likes: 913
From: Ciudad de Vacas, Tejas

Bikes: 34 frames + 80 wheels

Originally Posted by Scrodzilla
And, yeah...it's called skip skidding. "Bouncing" is something boobs do.
So, does that mean only women can bounce skid ?
__________________
What, Me Worry? - Alfred E. Neuman

Originally Posted by Dcv
I'd like to think i have as much money as brains.
I see the light at the end of the tunnel, but the tunnel keeps getting longer - me
TejanoTrackie is offline  
Reply
Old 08-04-14 | 01:07 PM
  #23  
JohnDThompson's Avatar
Old fart
Titanium Club Membership
20 Anniversary
Community Builder
 
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 26,316
Likes: 5,226
From: Appleton WI

Bikes: Several, mostly not name brands.

Originally Posted by bmontgomery87
ruining a nice set of rims by using a brake isn't cheap either.
Originally Posted by Nagrom_
Literally the worst argument I have ever read for riding brakeless.

You realize a rim costs about as much as a tire?
And unless you're riding off-road in gritty conditions, it takes a LONG time to wear out a rim. As in many years or even decades. N.B. modern rims with machined sidewalls tend not to last as long as vintage rims, as the machining process removes sidewall material before you even build the wheels.
JohnDThompson is offline  
Reply
Old 08-04-14 | 01:11 PM
  #24  
seau grateau's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 9,948
Likes: 400
From: PHL

Bikes: Litespeed Catalyst, IRO Rob Roy, All City Big Block

This may sound like crazy talk, but you can actually ride without skidding at all if you know what you're doing and "have complete control."
seau grateau is offline  
Reply
Old 08-04-14 | 01:26 PM
  #25  
Scrodzilla's Avatar
Your cog is slipping.
Titanium Club Membership
Sheldon Brown Memorial - Titanium
15 Anniversary
 
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 26,053
Likes: 100
From: Beverly MA

Bikes: EAI Bareknuckle

Scrodzilla is offline  
Reply

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.