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Matthew your argument has no relation to what squid said. He's explaining how cheaper jeans can actually be better and get the job done better. That's different than a bike and car because the car is more expensive but can actually get the job done better. A sun dial works but only in the day and you can't carry it around easily with you everywhere, so a Seiko is not expense but gets the job done better.
And Levis make a bunch of different jeans. Some better than others. I have some that are slim and fit like a glove and I've been wearing them quite a while and they look awesome. Hell of a lot cheaper than $265.
And lucky and diesel are both name brand where you pay for the logo.
I'm not ragging on you though cause everyone is different. We all that that one item we splurge on. I think a watch that is $200 is cheap and I don't mind spending that much. I have an awesome diesel watch that I bought for $160. I feel like it was a steal but my wife thinks I overpaid by about $140. Lol.
I just hate the clothing industry though. I like nice looking clothes that have no labels. That way I can actually pay a fair price.
And Levis make a bunch of different jeans. Some better than others. I have some that are slim and fit like a glove and I've been wearing them quite a while and they look awesome. Hell of a lot cheaper than $265.
And lucky and diesel are both name brand where you pay for the logo.
I'm not ragging on you though cause everyone is different. We all that that one item we splurge on. I think a watch that is $200 is cheap and I don't mind spending that much. I have an awesome diesel watch that I bought for $160. I feel like it was a steal but my wife thinks I overpaid by about $140. Lol.
I just hate the clothing industry though. I like nice looking clothes that have no labels. That way I can actually pay a fair price.
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While I mostly agree with what you're saying, your logic could be applied to anything. For instance, I drive a Toyota Tacoma. It gets me to work and back, yes? Yes. But so would my bike. My Tacoma cost me $30,000. My bike cost me $400 and it does the same thing my Tacoma does, only more efficiently. Then again, my legs could get me to work just as easily as my bike, albeit at a slower pace. My legs were free. A Rolex tells time fine. So does a Seiko. Cheaper than that? A Timex. Cheaper than that? A sun dial. Do you own a GPS? Why not just use a compass and/or a map?
Seriously though. A good analogy would be buying a Ford Fiesta for $90k instead of an Avalon for $40k. Why buy the inferior vehicle for a higher price than the superior vehicle? Makes no sense.
I spent $600 on a fountain pen that I wanted so badly I couldn't stand it
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Matthew your argument has no relation to what squid said. He's explaining how cheaper jeans can actually be better and get the job done better. That's different than a nine and car because the car is more expensive but can actually get the job done better. A sun dial works but only in the day and you can't carry it around easily with you everywhere, so a Seiko is not expense but gets the job done better.
And Levis make a bunch of different jeans. Some better than others. I have some that are slim and fit like a glove and I've been wearing them quite a while and they look awesome. Hell of a lot cheaper than $265.
And lucky and diesel are both name brand where you pay for the logo.
I'm not ragging on you though cause everyone is different. We all that that one item we splurge on. I think a watch that is $200 is cheap and I don't mind spending that much. I have an awesome diesel watch that I bought for $160. I feel like it was a steal but my wife thinks I overpaid by about $140. Lol.
I just hate the clothing industry though. I like nice looking clothes that have no labels. That way I can actually pay a fair price.
And Levis make a bunch of different jeans. Some better than others. I have some that are slim and fit like a glove and I've been wearing them quite a while and they look awesome. Hell of a lot cheaper than $265.
And lucky and diesel are both name brand where you pay for the logo.
I'm not ragging on you though cause everyone is different. We all that that one item we splurge on. I think a watch that is $200 is cheap and I don't mind spending that much. I have an awesome diesel watch that I bought for $160. I feel like it was a steal but my wife thinks I overpaid by about $140. Lol.
I just hate the clothing industry though. I like nice looking clothes that have no labels. That way I can actually pay a fair price.
I can't get into watches. My wife would quite literally kill me. Jeans, pens and shoes are enough of a hobby without me trying to convince her of a watch. 
08-15-14, 02:59 PM
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Most of my high end jeans have no branding on them whatsoever (other than a tag inside or maybe some little leather tag on the waistband). I don't buy jeans with big pocket flaps or back pocket stitching. As I said before, to each his own. My dad asks me why I like Macs and what makes them worth a few times what a comparable Windows machine is worth. He just can't even wrap his brain around why I'd buy a Mac over a Windows machine.
Simply put, I hate Windows. Why do I buy Diesels? Because I don't like Levis. Why did I buy a Toyota? Because I don't like Ford or Chevy.
It really just comes down to personal preference. I spend my money on jeans. What's your guilty pleasure?
Simply put, I hate Windows. Why do I buy Diesels? Because I don't like Levis. Why did I buy a Toyota? Because I don't like Ford or Chevy.
It really just comes down to personal preference. I spend my money on jeans. What's your guilty pleasure?
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08-15-14, 03:02 PM
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Squid, what jean brands in your opinion are worth buying in the US?
08-15-14, 03:07 PM
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Matthew your argument has no relation to what squid said. He's explaining how cheaper jeans can actually be better and get the job done better. That's different than a nine and car because the car is more expensive but can actually get the job done better. A sun dial works but only in the day and you can't carry it around easily with you everywhere, so a Seiko is not expense but gets the job done better.
And Levis make a bunch of different jeans. Some better than others. I have some that are slim and fit like a glove and I've been wearing them quite a while and they look awesome. Hell of a lot cheaper than $265.
And lucky and diesel are both name brand where you pay for the logo.
I'm not ragging on you though cause everyone is different. We all that that one item we splurge on. I think a watch that is $200 is cheap and I don't mind spending that much. I have an awesome diesel watch that I bought for $160. I feel like it was a steal but my wife thinks I overpaid by about $140. Lol.
I just hate the clothing industry though. I like nice looking clothes that have no labels. That way I can actually pay a fair price.
And Levis make a bunch of different jeans. Some better than others. I have some that are slim and fit like a glove and I've been wearing them quite a while and they look awesome. Hell of a lot cheaper than $265.
And lucky and diesel are both name brand where you pay for the logo.
I'm not ragging on you though cause everyone is different. We all that that one item we splurge on. I think a watch that is $200 is cheap and I don't mind spending that much. I have an awesome diesel watch that I bought for $160. I feel like it was a steal but my wife thinks I overpaid by about $140. Lol.
I just hate the clothing industry though. I like nice looking clothes that have no labels. That way I can actually pay a fair price.
And your wife is right. It's a $19.99 Chinese Timex that was rebranded.
But you are right. We all have our soft spot for a certain something that we want to be just right. And we pay for it even if it is silly.Admittedly, I am an extremist. I hate manufacturers forcing me to advetise for them for free. Unless they are going to pay me for advertising, no dice. You want me to be a walking billboard for your company? Fine, PAY ME. I go to great legths to 'win the game'.
I hate it so much I remove all the badges from my cars. LOL.
When I build a bike I shop for components that have no logos, or have the type that can be removed. And if I can't achieve that, I have the component powder coated.
I'm not saying that I am unwilling to wh0re myself out, I just want to be paid, and handsomely damnit.
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Thank you, thank you, thank you.
And your wife is right. It's a $19.99 Chinese Timex that was rebranded. But you are right. We all have our soft spot for a certain something that we want to be just right. And we pay for it even if it is silly.
Admittedly, I am an extremist. I hate manufacturers forcing me to advetise for them for free. Unless they are going to pay me for advertising, no dice. You want me to be a walking billboard for your company? Fine, PAY ME. I go to great legths to 'win the game'.
I hate it so much I remove all the badges from my cars. LOL.
When I build a bike I shop for components that have no logos, or have the type that can be removed. And if I can't achieve that, I have the component powder coated.
I'm not saying that I am unwilling to wh0re myself out, I just want to be paid, and handsomely damnit.
And your wife is right. It's a $19.99 Chinese Timex that was rebranded.
But you are right. We all have our soft spot for a certain something that we want to be just right. And we pay for it even if it is silly.Admittedly, I am an extremist. I hate manufacturers forcing me to advetise for them for free. Unless they are going to pay me for advertising, no dice. You want me to be a walking billboard for your company? Fine, PAY ME. I go to great legths to 'win the game'.
I hate it so much I remove all the badges from my cars. LOL.
When I build a bike I shop for components that have no logos, or have the type that can be removed. And if I can't achieve that, I have the component powder coated.
I'm not saying that I am unwilling to wh0re myself out, I just want to be paid, and handsomely damnit.
I agree with branding. I typically hate any labels. That's what I love about h & m. No labels and they have good styles. However knowing you know a lot about fabric, i'm sure they have crap quality clothes.
But yes that's why I'm going to build a wabi classic bike. No logo except one on the front that I don't mind
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As for financial woes, quality woes and other flame war-inducing woes, I have no opinion or knowledge.
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Every internet thread becomes a Mac vs PC thread eventually.
Please, someone call someone else a Nazi so we can complete the thread disintegration.
I like Macs, APC jeans, cheap watches and Dove Charney produced soft porn.
A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds...
Please, someone call someone else a Nazi so we can complete the thread disintegration.
I like Macs, APC jeans, cheap watches and Dove Charney produced soft porn.
A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds...
08-15-14, 03:31 PM
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Your cog is slipping.
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Perhaps the most apples to oranges anaology in the history of written language.
Seriously though. A good analogy would be buying a Ford Fiesta for $90k instead of an Avalon for $40k. Why buy the inferior vehicle for a higher price than the superior vehicle? Makes no sense.
Free yourself from the marketing wizards who's goal it is to enslave you through addiction. It's a ****in' pen Bro. They set traps all around us, don't let them win.
Seriously though. A good analogy would be buying a Ford Fiesta for $90k instead of an Avalon for $40k. Why buy the inferior vehicle for a higher price than the superior vehicle? Makes no sense.
Free yourself from the marketing wizards who's goal it is to enslave you through addiction. It's a ****in' pen Bro. They set traps all around us, don't let them win.
As for the fountain pen thing... I collect 'em. Do they do anything different than a Pilot clicky pen? Nah. But I love the way they feel and I like drawing with them. Especially because I can ink them with my favorite drawing inks that I know work well with watercolors and specific papers. But I will admit, I did get sucked into a little marketing hype on one. Fortunately, I was able to return it and get my $600 back. Which I then proceeded to spend on a couple other pens instead.
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I wouldn't normally chime in like this, on this, but since I work in the American Apparel office and am writing this post from the factory where everything gets made, I can assure you that everything is still made in the USA, right here in Los Angeles, and that we have no plans to outsource.
As for financial woes, quality woes and other flame war-inducing woes, I have no opinion or knowledge.
As for financial woes, quality woes and other flame war-inducing woes, I have no opinion or knowledge.
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Thank you, thank you, thank you.
And your wife is right. It's a $19.99 Chinese Timex that was rebranded. But you are right. We all have our soft spot for a certain something that we want to be just right. And we pay for it even if it is silly.
Admittedly, I am an extremist. I hate manufacturers forcing me to advetise for them for free. Unless they are going to pay me for advertising, no dice. You want me to be a walking billboard for your company? Fine, PAY ME. I go to great legths to 'win the game'.
I hate it so much I remove all the badges from my cars. LOL.
When I build a bike I shop for components that have no logos, or have the type that can be removed. And if I can't achieve that, I have the component powder coated.
I'm not saying that I am unwilling to wh0re myself out, I just want to be paid, and handsomely damnit.
And your wife is right. It's a $19.99 Chinese Timex that was rebranded.
But you are right. We all have our soft spot for a certain something that we want to be just right. And we pay for it even if it is silly.Admittedly, I am an extremist. I hate manufacturers forcing me to advetise for them for free. Unless they are going to pay me for advertising, no dice. You want me to be a walking billboard for your company? Fine, PAY ME. I go to great legths to 'win the game'.
I hate it so much I remove all the badges from my cars. LOL.
When I build a bike I shop for components that have no logos, or have the type that can be removed. And if I can't achieve that, I have the component powder coated.
I'm not saying that I am unwilling to wh0re myself out, I just want to be paid, and handsomely damnit.
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You buy Toyota because Ford and Chevy are both pieces of ****. And my god you like Mac too? Total hipster man. Spending money on useless popular ****. My wife is a very talented web developer/graphic designer/ programmer and she has her own company and will be teaching a class at the community college next semester. She as well as every programmer friend she has hates Mac. Overpriced because of the label, and limit what you can do. I say they are perfect for grandma's who need simple machines. eww, I hate all apple products
Mac vs. PC is roughly the equivalent of what's going on in the Gaza strip, only less people are dying. It's a war no one will ever win. My religion is better than yours and yours is better than mine.
08-15-14, 03:42 PM
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Carhartt. Tough stuff. Not pretty. Good stiching and fabrics. Multiple choices of fabrics and weights. Excellent and usefull pocket placement and designs. Bulldozer operators, Cowboys, and railrod worker type jeans.
Levi's. Anything that starts with a "5". All about the fit, skinny vs roomy. Levis makes "good" jeans as well as a "designer" line. The "Cheap" ones ore good and the "designer" ones are cheap.
Dickies. I am not of fan of their styling, but the quality is there.
Lame "Old" names? Yep. And there's a reason they have been around since the 1800s.
Personally I am a diehard 550s guy. Not too tight, not too baggy, not too ugly, last forever.
Calvin Klein and Ralph Loren make some really nice mens clothes, but they should leave the Jeans to the old hands.
08-15-14, 03:44 PM
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Let's not relate Mac and PC to the Gaza strip. Lol. A little different.
By the way if you don't like chrome logos on your car then get done black plasti dip. It's easily removable and an easy way to get rid of chrome and have a nice looking black car. My wife has black rims now due to plasti dip and it looks really good and legit. That's how I paid $20 for black runs rather than $700 or more on new rims.
By the way if you don't like chrome logos on your car then get done black plasti dip. It's easily removable and an easy way to get rid of chrome and have a nice looking black car. My wife has black rims now due to plasti dip and it looks really good and legit. That's how I paid $20 for black runs rather than $700 or more on new rims.
08-15-14, 03:49 PM
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Let's not relate Mac and PC to the Gaza strip. Lol. A little different.
By the way if you don't like chrome logos on your car then get done black plasti dip. It's easily removable and an easy way to get rid of chrome and have a nice looking black car. My wife has black rims now due to plasti dip and it looks really good and legit. That's how I paid $20 for black runs rather than $700 or more on new rims.
By the way if you don't like chrome logos on your car then get done black plasti dip. It's easily removable and an easy way to get rid of chrome and have a nice looking black car. My wife has black rims now due to plasti dip and it looks really good and legit. That's how I paid $20 for black runs rather than $700 or more on new rims.
My friend in Germany used PlastiDip on some car parts recently and said it's been pretty durable. Maybe I'll give it a shot.
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Please allow me to preface my answer with this; I don't see Jeans as a fashion garment, thats what suits are for. To me, jeans are a utilitarian garment. They should function well and last a long time. Looks are a distant second place. Also, most Jeans available in the US are not made in the US, but company specific design and quality control standards DO impact the final product. Jeans are for riding your bike, camping, hiking, skating, playing outdoor games and just knocking around.
Carhartt. Tough stuff. Not pretty. Good stiching and fabrics. Multiple choices of fabrics and weights. Excellent and usefull pocket placement and designs. Bulldozer operators, Cowboys, and railrod worker type jeans.
Levi's. Anything that starts with a "5". All about the fit, skinny vs roomy. Levis makes "good" jeans as well as a "designer" line. The "Cheap" ones ore good and the "designer" ones are cheap.
Dickies. I am not of fan of their styling, but the quality is there.
Lame "Old" names? Yep. And there's a reason they have been around since the 1800s.
Personally I am a diehard 550s guy. Not too tight, not too baggy, not too ugly, last forever.
Calvin Klein and Ralph Loren make some really nice mens clothes, but they should leave the Jeans to the old hands.
Carhartt. Tough stuff. Not pretty. Good stiching and fabrics. Multiple choices of fabrics and weights. Excellent and usefull pocket placement and designs. Bulldozer operators, Cowboys, and railrod worker type jeans.
Levi's. Anything that starts with a "5". All about the fit, skinny vs roomy. Levis makes "good" jeans as well as a "designer" line. The "Cheap" ones ore good and the "designer" ones are cheap.
Dickies. I am not of fan of their styling, but the quality is there.
Lame "Old" names? Yep. And there's a reason they have been around since the 1800s.
Personally I am a diehard 550s guy. Not too tight, not too baggy, not too ugly, last forever.
Calvin Klein and Ralph Loren make some really nice mens clothes, but they should leave the Jeans to the old hands.
Do you guys know if Levis makes a "carrot" cut jean? Their skinny's are too skinny and the slim straight aren't tapered. I basically want a slim tapered jean that sits below the waist with a medium rise.
08-15-14, 03:51 PM
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I like you. Haha. And my watch..
It keeps time no better than a $5 watch but I buy watches for an accessory or jewelry. Something to make my arm not feel naked. I won't pay more than $250 but the watch has to look sharp. Plus, I like to look at my phone for the time anyway. Lol.
It keeps time no better than a $5 watch but I buy watches for an accessory or jewelry. Something to make my arm not feel naked. I won't pay more than $250 but the watch has to look sharp. Plus, I like to look at my phone for the time anyway. Lol.
I justify owning them by saying that I appreciate them as a tool and fine precise machines, not jewelry. I am WEAK.
But yes that's why I'm going to build a wabi classic bike. No logo except one on the front that I don't mind
Bikes just look more balanced with one.
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Highfive. I gotta admit that watches are my weakness too. For the exact same reasons as you sited. I don't wear rings or bracelets or any of that. But I have a dozen watches that I wear depending on my mood and outfit. The band has to match the belt and shoes. I justify owning them by saying that I appreciate them as a tool and fine precise machines, not jewelry. I am WEAK.
Right on. Head tube emblems are the ONE acceptable exception. Why? I have no clue. Bikes just look more balanced with one.
I justify owning them by saying that I appreciate them as a tool and fine precise machines, not jewelry. I am WEAK.Right on. Head tube emblems are the ONE acceptable exception. Why? I have no clue.
Bikes just look more balanced with one.
08-15-14, 03:56 PM
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As for the fountain pen thing... I collect 'em. Do they do anything different than a Pilot clicky pen? Nah. But I love the way they feel and I like drawing with them. Especially because I can ink them with my favorite drawing inks that I know work well with watercolors and specific papers. But I will admit, I did get sucked into a little marketing hype on one. Fortunately, I was able to return it and get my $600 back. Which I then proceeded to spend on a couple other pens instead.