am i a fixie poseur?
#126
Originally Posted by automatic_sheep
hipster, stylenger, fit****er, roadie, fixie, scraper (lol)
whatever floats your boat. I think I'll just do the full monty and order up this jersey and then see how many people actually catch on

whatever floats your boat. I think I'll just do the full monty and order up this jersey and then see how many people actually catch on 
BTW
I wear Road Jerseys with my camo shants whilst riding my fixie Hmmmmm Wonder where I fit in in the hipster/fixie world ???
#130
some new kind of kick
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From: Smog Valley
Bikes: SOMA Rush, Miyata 912, Kogswell Mod. G, want a porteur bike
Originally Posted by inkdwheels
Doesn't anyone listen to hip hop, eat meat and drink liquor around here?
Im no where near a vegitarian, i couldn't name an idie rock band, PBR tastes like A$$.
If there is a fixie standard, im way out of the loop. But then whats a big black guy doing on a bicycle anyway.
Somebody give me a basketball and some jordans.
You're not posing if you ride your bike. You are not your messenger bag.
Im no where near a vegitarian, i couldn't name an idie rock band, PBR tastes like A$$.
If there is a fixie standard, im way out of the loop. But then whats a big black guy doing on a bicycle anyway.
Somebody give me a basketball and some jordans.
You're not posing if you ride your bike. You are not your messenger bag.
#131
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From: Davis CA
Bikes: Surly Cross-Check, '85 Giant road bike (unrecogizable fixed-gear conversion
I tried to look like a poseur. But I still end up looking like a middle aged man wearing a messenger bag riding a one-speed, spray painted bike. I'm afraid some people think I'm homeless.
#132
Chronic 1st-timer

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From: Lakehood, CO
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Originally Posted by MrCjolsen
I tried to look like a poseur. But I still end up looking like a middle aged man wearing a messenger bag riding a one-speed, spray painted bike. I'm afraid some people think I'm homeless.
#134
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From: Sacramento, California, USA
Bikes: Specialized Tarmac, Canyon Exceed, Specialized Transition, Ellsworth Roots, Ridley Excalibur
Thanks for the bump so I had the opportunity to read Ken Cox's Way of the Bikido.
#135
road curmudgeon, FG rider
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From: Gaithersburg, MD
Bikes: 1973 Nishiki Professional, 1990 Serotta Colorado II, 2002 Waterford Track
Very elegant prose Sensei Cox.
You have obviously attained enlightenment and are in a much higher plane than myself.
But I am now a student of the Tao of the FG.
Gerry
You have obviously attained enlightenment and are in a much higher plane than myself.
But I am now a student of the Tao of the FG.
Gerry
#137
Nun Bus
Joined: Jul 2005
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From: Tampa, Florida
Bikes: 2006 Fuji Track, Lemond Road
Ken Cox, that was a damn solid read, thanks.
So I spit drink on my monitor when I read this, thank you ... might be my new quote.
Originally Posted by MrCjolsen
I tried to look like a poseur. But I still end up looking like a middle aged man wearing a messenger bag riding a one-speed, spray painted bike. I'm afraid some people think I'm homeless.
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Originally Posted by V-Rock
I sometimes like to ride with a ferret in my pants while eating blowfish sushi just to up the ante.
#139
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Taken from Moving Target , well put imo, though bills initial pissabout with the fakenger association was funnier of course 
I keep laughing at this

I Hate Fakenger
The word, not people that look like messengers but aren’t. I have tried to high-light what I think is wrong with the word, and the sentiment behind it, in a humourous way but people still aren’t getting the point. Knarf’s post on it is a good example of someone who has missengered my intentions. So I am going to spell it out, so no-one can have any doubt about what I think.
It’s a mean-spirited jibe that demeans its originators, not its intended targets. I get especially cross when I think about all the messenger events that I have organised, participated in or spectated at.
Why? Because as I said in my previous post, those events relied heavily on volunteer labour. In fact, most of those events would not have happened at all without volunteer labour. And a lot of those volunteers were not messengers. They were people who either used to be messengers, were friends of messengers or were inspired by messenger culture and, despite not knowing any messengers, pitched in and helped because they were into it. Often these people rode fixies, wore cycling caps, used messenger bags and had spoke cards in their wheels. But were not messengers.
So how cool is it to make jibes at people that support your scene, you dummies? Does labelling people that you might be friends with, seeing as they share your interests, as ‘fake’ contribute to global peace and understanding? A phoney is a phoney, whether they are a working cyclist or not. There are more than two people in the international messenger community who are posers and talk a lot of rubbish about things they have done, or are going to do. Are they more or less fake than the non-messengers who contribute to messenger events in a far more meaningful but less vocal way?
I am reminded of nothing so much as the ‘real’ messenger debate that surfaces from time to time in the messenger community. The most absurd example of this was the controversy over Lars Urban and Andy Schneider, who between them won 4 of the first 5 CMWCS.
The rumour, repeated almost before Andy was presented with the trophy in 93, and again in 94, 95 and 97, was that they weren’t ‘real’ messengers. That they were really semi-pro roadies who had been paid by unscrupulous company managers to ride and win so that the resulting publicity could be exploited for commercial gain. Even the basic premise of the accusation is open to doubt.
One of the manager/owners of Sprint, Lars’ company, became a very close friend of mine (and incidentally contributed a huge effort to making CMWC 95 a success). Olli told me that despite the publicity that surrounded Lars’ wins, he estimated that Sprint had not made a single extra pfennig as a result. Ok, it’s kind of a hard thing to quantify, but that’s what he said.
Why was the accusation made? Because Andy and Lars didn’t fit the image of a ‘real’ messenger, according to whatever prejudiced stereo-type was possessed by the messenger making the accusation. Andy and Lars wore lycra, not ‘street garms’, on the bike. They shaved their legs. They rode top dollar road bikes, not botched-up ghetto-jalopies. And they were strong, fast and smart. They were better messenger racers than the ‘real’ messengers.
So what was the truth? Were Andy and Lars ‘real’ messengers or fakes?
The truth was that Andy and Lars had been elite amateur racers. But never quite good enough (or committed enough) to make it as pros, although elite amateurs in Germany can scrape a living. And reaching the end of their sporting careers, saw in messengering a way of continuing to ride their bikes and get paid, and the opportunity to have a job that would allow them enough time off to continue to train and race.
Lars was a good messenger, according to his boss, although he could be pretty impossible to despatch sometimes. Andy held the docket record for a 6 hour shift (what, I hear the ‘real’ messengers shout, he only worked 6 hours!), 54, at Per Velo, I was told by a colleague of his. That’s more dockets than I ever did in a 10 hour shift, and I was reckoned by some to be a pretty good messenger.
That makes them messengers in my view, whatever I might think about the colour or construction of their cycling clothes. And Lars whipped all-comers on the legendary Human Powered Rollercoaster. The HPR was a sketchy, skiddy, wooden 125 metre figure of eight track that broke more than a few riders’ bones. Ok, he was an arrogant bastard: I remember him once saying to Joey Dias, the TO top-dog, ‘we race; I win’. But he did win.
Anyway, enough of this reminiscing. I’ll leave you with this thought: Reidar ‘Danny’ Farr had been working for a few short weeks when he was run over and killed by a lorry that failed to signal a left turn. Was he a ‘real’ messenger or a fake?
The word, not people that look like messengers but aren’t. I have tried to high-light what I think is wrong with the word, and the sentiment behind it, in a humourous way but people still aren’t getting the point. Knarf’s post on it is a good example of someone who has missengered my intentions. So I am going to spell it out, so no-one can have any doubt about what I think.
It’s a mean-spirited jibe that demeans its originators, not its intended targets. I get especially cross when I think about all the messenger events that I have organised, participated in or spectated at.
Why? Because as I said in my previous post, those events relied heavily on volunteer labour. In fact, most of those events would not have happened at all without volunteer labour. And a lot of those volunteers were not messengers. They were people who either used to be messengers, were friends of messengers or were inspired by messenger culture and, despite not knowing any messengers, pitched in and helped because they were into it. Often these people rode fixies, wore cycling caps, used messenger bags and had spoke cards in their wheels. But were not messengers.
So how cool is it to make jibes at people that support your scene, you dummies? Does labelling people that you might be friends with, seeing as they share your interests, as ‘fake’ contribute to global peace and understanding? A phoney is a phoney, whether they are a working cyclist or not. There are more than two people in the international messenger community who are posers and talk a lot of rubbish about things they have done, or are going to do. Are they more or less fake than the non-messengers who contribute to messenger events in a far more meaningful but less vocal way?
I am reminded of nothing so much as the ‘real’ messenger debate that surfaces from time to time in the messenger community. The most absurd example of this was the controversy over Lars Urban and Andy Schneider, who between them won 4 of the first 5 CMWCS.
The rumour, repeated almost before Andy was presented with the trophy in 93, and again in 94, 95 and 97, was that they weren’t ‘real’ messengers. That they were really semi-pro roadies who had been paid by unscrupulous company managers to ride and win so that the resulting publicity could be exploited for commercial gain. Even the basic premise of the accusation is open to doubt.
One of the manager/owners of Sprint, Lars’ company, became a very close friend of mine (and incidentally contributed a huge effort to making CMWC 95 a success). Olli told me that despite the publicity that surrounded Lars’ wins, he estimated that Sprint had not made a single extra pfennig as a result. Ok, it’s kind of a hard thing to quantify, but that’s what he said.
Why was the accusation made? Because Andy and Lars didn’t fit the image of a ‘real’ messenger, according to whatever prejudiced stereo-type was possessed by the messenger making the accusation. Andy and Lars wore lycra, not ‘street garms’, on the bike. They shaved their legs. They rode top dollar road bikes, not botched-up ghetto-jalopies. And they were strong, fast and smart. They were better messenger racers than the ‘real’ messengers.
So what was the truth? Were Andy and Lars ‘real’ messengers or fakes?
The truth was that Andy and Lars had been elite amateur racers. But never quite good enough (or committed enough) to make it as pros, although elite amateurs in Germany can scrape a living. And reaching the end of their sporting careers, saw in messengering a way of continuing to ride their bikes and get paid, and the opportunity to have a job that would allow them enough time off to continue to train and race.
Lars was a good messenger, according to his boss, although he could be pretty impossible to despatch sometimes. Andy held the docket record for a 6 hour shift (what, I hear the ‘real’ messengers shout, he only worked 6 hours!), 54, at Per Velo, I was told by a colleague of his. That’s more dockets than I ever did in a 10 hour shift, and I was reckoned by some to be a pretty good messenger.
That makes them messengers in my view, whatever I might think about the colour or construction of their cycling clothes. And Lars whipped all-comers on the legendary Human Powered Rollercoaster. The HPR was a sketchy, skiddy, wooden 125 metre figure of eight track that broke more than a few riders’ bones. Ok, he was an arrogant bastard: I remember him once saying to Joey Dias, the TO top-dog, ‘we race; I win’. But he did win.
Anyway, enough of this reminiscing. I’ll leave you with this thought: Reidar ‘Danny’ Farr had been working for a few short weeks when he was run over and killed by a lorry that failed to signal a left turn. Was he a ‘real’ messenger or a fake?
I tried to look like a poseur. But I still end up looking like a middle aged man wearing a messenger bag riding a one-speed, spray painted bike. I'm afraid some people think I'm homeless.
#141
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From: Rocket City, No'ala
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Sad to say I'm no fixie poseur. I'm a roadie with a mild case of OCP. I was intrigued by the fixie ride and to a lesser extent, the hipster style.
I wear spandex and a roadie helmet(my attire costs more than the bike) on my San Jose, which has fenders and a rear rack. And brakes are on the front and back and I use them all the time as I can't skid worth a flip, even with a 42-17 ratio. No clips and straps here, I went spd.
And there ain't no way in Hades I'm drinking PBR; even unemployed I make too much money to buy that stuff.
If you want to see me in action, I'll be racing in the alleycat this Sunday in Huntsville. Be at Trailhead on Andrew Jackson at 4:30pm.
I wear spandex and a roadie helmet(my attire costs more than the bike) on my San Jose, which has fenders and a rear rack. And brakes are on the front and back and I use them all the time as I can't skid worth a flip, even with a 42-17 ratio. No clips and straps here, I went spd.
And there ain't no way in Hades I'm drinking PBR; even unemployed I make too much money to buy that stuff.
If you want to see me in action, I'll be racing in the alleycat this Sunday in Huntsville. Be at Trailhead on Andrew Jackson at 4:30pm.
#142
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I too have always like Bills outlook on the silliness. I mean really, I know a ton of messers who race. I raced for several years myself, so what I shouldn't be in da alleycats? I sport the lycra & as high end a bike as I can afford at any race, official or alleycat.
It was my birthday Friday, and I bought one of those Poseur jerseys. I did. Felt good too. It's got good lines. Yeah, I'm gonna wear it too. I never buy myself anything, so **** you.
It was my birthday Friday, and I bought one of those Poseur jerseys. I did. Felt good too. It's got good lines. Yeah, I'm gonna wear it too. I never buy myself anything, so **** you.
#143
Stinky McStinkface
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Originally Posted by Ken Cox
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Because, yeah... uh huh! Umm, yeah!
Because, yeah... uh huh! Umm, yeah!
#144
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From: Berlin
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Originally Posted by SamHouston
It was my birthday Friday, and I bought one of those Poseur jerseys. I did. Felt good too. It's got good lines. Yeah, I'm gonna wear it too. I never buy myself anything, so **** you.
still unsure of buying or not, funds low, need....to....sell....all...that...****...argh
#145
there ain't no messengers here so everyone's a poseur!
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Cyclists fare best when they recognize that there are times when acting vehicularly is not the best practice, and are flexible enough to do what is necessary as the situation warrants.--Me
#146
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Dostoyevsky a beat? Archtypally yes. But your initial question is at the heart of my reply. You're not a poser, but have tasted the zen of fixed gear. I went from owning mega-dollar downhill rigs to Santa Cruz Nomads, yet remained unsatisfied (when not overwhelmed) by the clutter, complexities and maintenance of ever-evolving and fickle shocks, derailleurs and disc brakes. Strip a bike to its bare essence and you'll uncover a fixie with no buffers between you and the road, no coasting to lull awareness, no recklessness born of the false sense of security a brake gives. If you've the personality that seeks the unmediated apprehension of truth, you came naturally to fixed gear riding. Growth is no pose.
#149
Anyone who calls someone else a "poseur" is a self-important w*nker who isn't worth your time. Validating your own coolness by judging others is pathetic. Ride your bike, love your bike and don't worry about what some jackass thinks because you dont' race or run a front brake or have a chrome bag and aren't a messenger or some other nonsense.
Last edited by trace215; 11-18-07 at 09:44 PM.
#150
ub3r n00b
Joined: Sep 2007
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From: Minnesota
Bikes: Bianchi Via Nirone, Trek 6000SS, Zebrakanko FG
Anyone who calls someone else a "poseur" is a self-important w*nker who isn't worth your time. Validating your own coolness by judging others is pathetic. Ride your bike, love your bike and don't worry about what some jackass thinks because you dont' race or run a front brake or have a chrome bag and aren't a messenger or some other nonsense.




