Does anyone have experience riding Canyon bikes? Where I'm at I can't get test rides anyway, so I figure I'll order from Canyon and get something I actually enjoy looking at in addition to having good spec. Gonna be doing some bikepacking in hilly, often-wet Japan, with some long-distance commuting in there too (42 km round-trip).

In particular looking at three at the moment:

The Commuter 4.0/5.0: Looks like everything is included for comfortable riding with rack, fenders, and dynamo lights with IGH and belt drive. I started this bike search looking for belt drives, too, and had decided I couldn't afford it, but the Canyon is well within my budget and I wouldn't have to buy all those things separately. The rep insisted this wouldn't be good for long-distance rides, but I can't see why. Beautiful bike, too. I can't find a source for replacement belts, though. Don't want a bike that I can't source replacements for!

The Roadlite AL 5.0/6.0/7.0: A nice-looking akuminum road bike, what the Canyon rep I talked to called "hybrid-like" geometry, and with disc brakes and room for rack/fenders. Flat bar. All-black version looks good.

The Endurace AL 5.0/6.0: Endurance racing bike, no room for rack/fenders and has caliper brakes (Tiagra or 105 with the rest of the groupset). I think I can live without fenders and change clothes at work and take good care of the moving parts. Beautiful grey-and-black with blue highlights.

The rep actually recommended the Endurace or the Roadlite over the Commuter for long rides of 50 or more kilometers, but my commutes are 42 km a day anyway...

Thoughts?

Lots of brands, very few actual manufacturers.

analyze the parts pick , rather than the logo on the paint.

I can't speak to those particular models, but I purchased a Canyon Ultimate Al 9.0 several years ago. Conincidentally, I was also in Japan at the time and trying to get better value than you get on imported bikes in Japan.Tthe markups are atrocious. That was a great bike, great value, and the whole purchasing process was painless. I recommended Canyon to a couple of friends after that and they all reported the same. Keep in mind that you might get dinged for taxes on delivery. I don't recall exactly how much it was, but I remember it being lower than I expected, like 6000 yen or something like that.

Recently, I looked very closely at the Canyon Endurace CF 7.0 (carbon fibre with full Ultegra) ... they sell for £1299.00

https://www.canyon.com/en-gb/road/en...cf-7-0-sl.html



Nice bike, but the handlebar is slammed right down. I went on the live chat and asked the guy if they could leave a longer piece so that I could raise the handlebars, and he said no

so, I ended up getting a Giant TCR and am very happy:

I wonder if you can actually test ride a Canyon (beyond being a Team Katusha or Movistar rider)? I am not a huge fan of their stuff and certainly don't see a whole lot of touring/bikepacking usefulness in their stuff but if you must have one go for it. Their Commuter 8.0 and a few below that look more like race bikes with a proprietary aero slammed cockpits. The 6.0 seems a bit more practical but the rack is a silly design that probably couldn't carry big weight easily (like groceries or laptops and other heavier items). All in all I think they have too much racing pedigree and that doesn't translate as well into more functional non race bikes and while some of their spec is great, some of it falls short.

If you are going to be in Japan, I am sure you can find great touring bikes or bikes easily converted for that purpose. I know Araya (who I know from rim making) makes a whole line of touring/rando bikes and I think even some more versatile cross machines.
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I am sure the good folks at Circles could help out in finding a bike they just had a big event with a bunch of American builders and The Radavist and they all went on a tour/bikepacking trip with them: Circles**********????

I never cared much for the Araya line when I was there. Some of their component choices seemed to me that they were trying to make something that looked like a style of bike, rather than speccing to be actually good at that thing (i.e. looking like a classic touring bike but not actually being well suited for touring). They also seemed over priced for what you got, with the less expensive models (around $1000) with hi-ten frames if I recall correctly. That was a couple years ago though, and they look a bit better now. The 2016 Touriste seems like it's not a terrible deal considering Japanese bike prices. The brakes are an issue for me though. I wouldn't buy a touring bike without disc brakes in Japan. Lots of mountains, lots of rain...

Thank you, That is a large part of my consideration. Rather than brand name I'm looking at overall aesthetic, which is a part of the process for me. I don't think I'd choose to ride a bright red or green bike, for example, even if the spec and price were good.

Thanks for the info; if I go Canyon, I'll be sure to account for taxes! Glad to hear some positive reviews, too.

Thanks, I looked at some Giants, particularly the Revolt. Got a good quote on one recently and might go that way.

Thanks! I'll contact them and see what they say. I almost went with Araya, but their touring bikes are all very stretched out, with low, far brake positions. One shop offered to swap the bars immiediately for a mustache bar, so that might be an option. Their cross bike is a little more expensive than the better-spec'd Merida I got a quote on, so I'd probably just take the Merida over it.

Haha, yes. Lots of rain and hills, and mountains around the hills. Discs are a good idea. One shop owner actually recommended I ignore the Diagonale and go for the Touriste, if I choose Araya. He said the Touriste frames are manufactured in Taiwan versus Indonesia for the Diagonale, and lugged rather than welded (which for him just made it a "more pretty" bike, lol).

I just want a workhorse that doesn't look terrible. Giant, Cannondale, Specialized, and Merida are the big brands around me, with good shops nearby. I'll probably go with one of them, or Canyon if they ever get back to me. So far haven't been able to get back on their chat service...guess they're overloaded with their sale.