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Old 09-07-16, 11:27 PM
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Time for Panniers - Need Info and Advice

I've got mounts front and rear now, and I'm ready for panniers. I'm really interested in these, but so far cannot find their measurements. Not even on the manufactures own website, unless somehow I missed them. If you can find them and shoot me a link I'd really appreciate it.



Axiom - Tempest Hydracore P36+
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Look to be about the same size as the equivalent Front Roller and Back Roller classics.
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Volume, which is given, is more important than size. With that said, the dimensions of the lap top sleeve gives you a rough idea of the size.
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I spent quite a bit of time trying to do what you are, before giving up. Size is generally given in volume, not actual measurements, no matter how much you'd like the latter to know if you are going to have an argument with a gate agent.
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Dang, those are some fancy bags!

...thats all i got. Let us know how they do. Often times, it seems the Axiom bags that are discussed are more entry level(I have a pair) and when it comes to waterproof and higher quality, Ortlieb and Arkel almost completely dominate the discussion. Hearing about another high priced high quality waterproof pannier could help provide alternatives to the big 2.

Just saw- almost 10# of weight for the 4 bags combined. Ortliebs are pretty similar though, given the volume.
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A set of Ortlieb Back Packer Plus panniers are slightly larger than those Axiom 45s, a tad over a half pound lighter and $52 less if you get them from thetouringstore.com
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I have an axiom trunk bag from that same/similar series, and Ortlieb back roller panniers. The Ortliebs are truly waterproof and already proven much more durable. The Axiom has some wear issues already despite being chronologically newer. Even in heavy rain, stuff in the Ortliebs comes out dry. The Axiom seems to always let things get damp, especially in the outer pockets. YMMV.
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Do share How they get a sewn together bag to be 'waterproof' since every time the machine Needle

pushes the thread through, It makes a Hole.
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Looked at frame bags?
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Looked at frame bags?
No room on my little frame for one. But I may look into getting a small custom one made at some point, just for a little extra storage space.
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More than likely I'll be going for these. The overall design, apparent quality, and functionality look like they're in a class of their own. I see no real competition for this bag.

Check out this video,

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That bottom hook that slides fore and aft on that Axiom bag, some racks do not work well with a hook like that. I suggest you check on return policy before you buy in case you find that the panniers do not fit on your chosen racks.

It looks like the rail for that lower hook is riveted on, not bolted, that makes it harder to modify if needed.
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I think those panniers are far more complicated than need be and that means another source of potential problems if your last name is Murphy as mine is. It looks to be at least a dozen clips and straps that have potential to fail. I have nothing against Axiom panniers as I presently still own two pair, the Monsoons and Typhoons, and they are very similar to my Ortliebs in design and construction. I have owned two other pair of Axioms a few years ago that were also of nice quality. That being said, Axiom's customer service is just horrible. On several occasions they never answered simple emails when I was looking for basic information such as weight, volume or availability. Also their dimensions and specs. would change with the wind and/or whatever the supplier felt like shipping at the time. Mind you, just my opinion.
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Ortlieb.
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That bottom hook that slides fore and aft on that Axiom bag, some racks do not work well with a hook like that. I suggest you check on return policy before you buy in case you find that the panniers do not fit on your chosen racks.

It looks like the rail for that lower hook is riveted on, not bolted, that makes it harder to modify if needed.
That's a very good point. I'm not even sure exactly 'how' those connect exactly. I'll check and see if any local shops have them in stack, or are willing to order them in so I can verify fit. Otherwise I'll go with another brand.

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I think those panniers are far more complicated than need be and that means another source of potential problems if your last name is Murphy as mine is. It looks to be at least a dozen clips and straps that have potential to fail. I have nothing against Axiom panniers as I presently still own two pair, the Monsoons and Typhoons, and they are very similar to my Ortliebs in design and construction. I have owned two other pair of Axioms a few years ago that were also of nice quality. That being said, Axiom's customer service is just horrible. On several occasions they never answered simple emails when I was looking for basic information such as weight, volume or availability. Also their dimensions and specs. would change with the wind and/or whatever the supplier felt like shipping at the time. Mind you, just my opinion.
Yes indeed, we are close relatives and share the name. lol But I'm not too worried about a few easily replaceable buckles and such.

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Ortlieb.
Too many reports of mount failure on Ortliebs for me. I'm hoping to spend more time off the pavement than on. I may end up going Arkel if these Axioms don't work out for me.
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After much continued research, I've decided on these,

Great promo-vid here!

Arkel Orca Series Waterproof Panniers:
ORCA 35 Front or Rear Waterproof Panniers From Arkel
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Another vote for Ortlieb here

Mine have been indestructible despite three years of daily hard use.

The mounting systemin your pic looks about like the one on my bags but are more adjustable on the Ortleibs. Plus as mentioned on mine the mounting hardware (clamps etc...) is attached to the bag proper with screws as opposed to rivets.

Next to buying a saddle, buying panniers might be the closest thing to buying shoes there is in bicycle accessories ie. hard to do sight-unseen.

Before you lay out hundreds of dollars, is there any way of holding off for a bit until you actually see some?

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Too many reports of mount failure on Ortliebs for me. I'm hoping to spend more time off the pavement than on. I may end up going Arkel if these Axioms don't work out for me.
I see you have decided on what to buy, so I know I will not convince you otherwise. But I hate to see that comment on Ortlieb failures go unanswered.

One reason you might see reference to mount failures is the huge number of Ortliebs in use. A larger population leads to more experiences and more opportunity for problems.

I have heard of a very tiny number of lower hook failures from crashes, but those hooks are not absolutely necessary, you can ride without them in a pinch.

And the upper hooks will deform slightly that will allow the little plastic inserts to fall out after extended use. (The inserts are used to allow the hooks to be used on differing rack tubing diameters.) But, the solution to that is to not use the little inserts, instead use some plastic tubing over your rack.

The photo shows some PVC tubing on my rack, held on with electrical tape. Some people use zip ties instead to hold the tubing on. And the plastic tubing helps protect the rack from chafing so it serves a double purpose.
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FWIW I had a Box and ship of a bike the lower hook was Missing off his Ortlieb pannier,
because the screw was not checked often enough, so it rattled Loose .. and fell Off

I call that User Negligence ,. not a Product defect..
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I see you have decided on what to buy, so I know I will not convince you otherwise. But I hate to see that comment on Ortlieb failures go unanswered.

One reason you might see reference to mount failures is the huge number of Ortliebs in use. A larger population leads to more experiences and more opportunity for problems.

Ditto. I'm still using one that's pushing 10 years old, daily commutes and a cross-country trip haven't lead to a failure (yet).


I wonder if part of the problem is that the people who are doing the most extreme trips gravitate towards Ortliebs because of all the recommendations they get. I'd also like to know what (if anything) they replace those failed Ortliebs with, and if they end up doing any better.
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Ditto. I'm still using one that's pushing 10 years old, daily commutes and a cross-country trip haven't lead to a failure (yet).


I wonder if part of the problem is that the people who are doing the most extreme trips gravitate towards Ortliebs because of all the recommendations they get. I'd also like to know what (if anything) they replace those failed Ortliebs with, and if they end up doing any better.
Two years ago I met a gal in a campground in California that was on year seven of a long tour, started in South Africa and had been all over the globe since then. One of her pairs of panniers were original Ortliebs from the start of her tour.

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Axiom is a Canadian company that makes solid products. I have a pair from 2009.

Those volumes are standard for front and rear panniers.
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Originally Posted by AdvXtrm View Post
After much continued research, I've decided on these,

Great promo-vid here!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llLQGwR8EbE

Arkel Orca Series Waterproof Panniers:
ORCA 35 Front or Rear Waterproof Panniers From Arkel
look fantastic but what price are they
(cant believe that guy uses a kickstand )
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Another vote for Ortlieb. They're simple, tough and repairable.
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i have the ortlieb classic bags bomb proof.
look good totally water proof sure what more do u want.
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