Absolute necessities?
#76
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When I tour the fire/logging/mining roads of Northern Ontario Canada where I might not see another person/vehicle for days at a time I carry a lot more tools and food than I do if touring on paved roads where I go through a town every day or so.
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Same with Boston. My favorite map is the Metropolitan AAA road map. Scale is appropriate to provide detail to find good roads, but covers enough distance, about 50-60 miles from downtown, to plot a century. I use my phone to locate myself on the paper map.
I have used one for DC too, as well as Philadelphia and Toronto.
I have used one for DC too, as well as Philadelphia and Toronto.
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And time.
I have bikes, I have money, but, I don't have enough time to enjoy either.
I have a long tour planned for the summer, but already there are assaults being made on my schedule. I have had to move my tour up by two months because my sister-in-law is going to have a baby. Instead of riding in early autumn, I now have to ride in the summer heat. This also shortens the time I have to prepare, especially after a long time off my bike. I will have just over two months to go from riding ten minutes per day to five hours per day.
I have bikes, I have money, but, I don't have enough time to enjoy either.
I have a long tour planned for the summer, but already there are assaults being made on my schedule. I have had to move my tour up by two months because my sister-in-law is going to have a baby. Instead of riding in early autumn, I now have to ride in the summer heat. This also shortens the time I have to prepare, especially after a long time off my bike. I will have just over two months to go from riding ten minutes per day to five hours per day.
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My favorite map is the Metropolitan AAA road map. Scale is appropriate to provide detail to find good roads, but covers enough distance, about 50-60 miles from downtown, to plot a century. I use my phone to locate myself on the paper map.
I have used one for DC too, as well as Philadelphia and Toronto.
I have used one for DC too, as well as Philadelphia and Toronto.
I used to tote metro atlas maps on local rides. Fairly light & the book style made it easy to check route during rides w/o hassle of folding & wind. Sometimes routing is easier with paper maps vs a small-screen device. On an extended tour I'd think about getting a tablet though.
10+ dittoes for paper maps for long distance route planning.
…Paper maps that are large enough so that you can see several days or several weeks of travel are needed for planning your route. And if there are detours, planning your alternate routes. I preferred to look at paper maps when thinking where I might want to stop 3 or 4 or 5 days in advance. Thus, I looked at the paper maps almost every day.
...On our tours, including a cross-country ride in 1977, we have had a similar strategy of 50 miles per day (or more to reach a shower). On that ride we used a large paper map of the USA to plot our general route [and individual state maps to cross the state]. We left Los Angeles on May 4, and had to be in Boston by July 1.
In California we were strongly advised to avoid Las Vegas, so we went through Arizona. After crossing the Rockies we realized we were not making enough progress, so we veered towards Washington DC, and arrived on June 27 with enough time for sight-seeing, and then took the train with our bikes to Boston...
In California we were strongly advised to avoid Las Vegas, so we went through Arizona. After crossing the Rockies we realized we were not making enough progress, so we veered towards Washington DC, and arrived on June 27 with enough time for sight-seeing, and then took the train with our bikes to Boston...
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Reading every reply leaves me asking why everyone is so concerned with necessity? You can start at a GPS, go through everyone's specific item or list of items and none of them are wrong, even the GPS. A GPS has got to be near the top of most life saving and convenient toys ever made by mankind, and they just keep getting better. Can you survive without one? Most of the time. Just like you only need a dentist once in a while, but when you do... I agree that you can't take it all. I continue to try to all the time, but you sure as hell don't have to scratch a GPS off a list because of anyone's idea of what a necessity is or isn't. Make a list of everything you can think of that you might want to have while Touring. From a tire patch to a Rum and Coke on ice. From a lifesaving zip tie to portable pressurized shower. Good food and everything necessary to make it. Not just an Altoids can 1st aid kit but one that could save a life in the right hands. Creature comforts to life-saving fire starters. Once you have the list and have actually researched the products to fully understand their function, cost, practicality, durability and weight, then start to prioritize them. Use whatever factors are most important to you, i.e., cost, weight, necessity, cool factor. If you don't have the money for something then you aren't going to buy it, yet, but that doesn't mean it has to come off your list. I have a Rohloff SpeedHub and love it, but it's $1600.00, If you can't afford one now you may in the future. I ride super heavy and pull a trailer. It's not my favorite but I can get most anywhere I want to set up camp and do day rides out of. Anyone of you would load a car and drive somewhere to ride trails for a week. Some... people will fly a bike to the top of a hill to coast back down, future generations be damned. Why stop and sleep in the dirt or ride all day in the rain with no overshoe to keep dry? The more you have with you, the long you can go, the more comfortable you can be, and the more fun you can have. Take all you can (within reason and common sense) and enjoy every bit of it. When you determine the maximum weight you can move getting to base camps you can start working the list to determine necessities for where ever you are going. Do I need snowshoes riding down the gulf coast? If I do something is terribly wrong. Do I need a stainless steel hand operated nose hair trimmer ever couple weeks, yes, yes I do. It's a necessity. Does it have to be electric, not at all. Also, think of it this way. Is insulin a necessity to a non-diabetic? Make your own list through experimentation and experience. What about condoms, hummmmm, but they are really light, it's Always a good idea to have a few, just in case.
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Impressive rig, I'm sure the Tout Terrain folks would be happy seeing one of their bikes being put to proper use. BTW once a friend from Mexico was visiting & the one thing he wanted to buy was a cylindrical non-electric nose-hair trimmer for his elderly papa. I remembered those being sold in the old days thru novelty catalogs but we couldn't find any.
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And time.
I have bikes, I have money, but, I don't have enough time to enjoy either.
I have a long tour planned for the summer, but already there are assaults being made on my schedule. I have had to move my tour up by two months because my sister-in-law is going to have a baby. Instead of riding in early autumn, I now have to ride in the summer heat. This also shortens the time I have to prepare, especially after a long time off my bike. I will have just over two months to go from riding ten minutes per day to five hours per day.
I have bikes, I have money, but, I don't have enough time to enjoy either.
I have a long tour planned for the summer, but already there are assaults being made on my schedule. I have had to move my tour up by two months because my sister-in-law is going to have a baby. Instead of riding in early autumn, I now have to ride in the summer heat. This also shortens the time I have to prepare, especially after a long time off my bike. I will have just over two months to go from riding ten minutes per day to five hours per day.
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Impressive rig, I'm sure the Tout Terrain folks would be happy seeing one of their bikes being put to proper use. BTW once a friend from Mexico was visiting & the one thing he wanted to buy was a cylindrical non-electric nose-hair trimmer for his elderly papa. I remembered those being sold in the old days thru novelty catalogs but we couldn't find any.
Try and make it out of your State without a GPS, let alone Across the States!
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Yeah, stumbling around in the dark for many hundreds of thousands of year, thanks for making my point. Now, something the size of a pocket watch can let you know where you are anywhere on this planet within seconds. Soon the moon and within a decade Mars too. Amazing toy, for someone that actually uses them daily. I mean we all use them daily. You wouldn't have cable TV or your precious internet connection if GPS didn't exist. But, yes I meant a handheld device for bike touring. I'm not saying you couldn't get out of your state with just a compass, another fantastic little toy by the way. With a GPS you can easily get to any point that you want. Pretty slick trick, yeah I'm serious.
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Yeah, stumbling around in the dark for many hundreds of thousands of year, thanks for making my point. Now, something the size of a pocket watch can let you know where you are anywhere on this planet within seconds. Soon the moon and within a decade Mars too. Amazing toy, for someone that actually uses them daily. I mean we all use them daily. You wouldn't have cable TV or your precious internet connection if GPS didn't exist. But, yes I meant a handheld device for bike touring. I'm not saying you couldn't get out of your state with just a compass, another fantastic little toy by the way. With a GPS you can easily get to any point that you want. Pretty slick trick, yeah I'm serious.
I used a GPS unit in my work, for personal use, and in search and rescue activities. They are great tools, but we did not feel the need for a GPS unit on a straight forward trip like getting from one side of the country to the other side. Paper maps worked fine. In large cities, we would stop in at the Chamber or a bike shop and pick up a cycling guide or at least a city map.
Yes, we do use our smart phones, but it is not an absolute necessity. I've only used my GPS unit in Europe. It did do a good job of navigating through large cities. Since smart phones came out their is no need for the hand held GPS on most bike trips.
I was a military pilot before the advent of GPS, and some of the other more sophisticated navigation aids, and managed to get where I wanted— well, most of the time
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Yeah, stumbling around in the dark for many hundreds of thousands of year, thanks for making my point. Now, something the size of a pocket watch can let you know where you are anywhere on this planet within seconds. Soon the moon and within a decade Mars too. Amazing toy, for someone that actually uses them daily. I mean we all use them daily. You wouldn't have cable TV or your precious internet connection if GPS didn't exist. But, yes I meant a handheld device for bike touring. I'm not saying you couldn't get out of your state with just a compass, another fantastic little toy by the way. With a GPS you can easily get to any point that you want. Pretty slick trick, yeah I'm serious.
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Yeah, stumbling around in the dark for many hundreds of thousands of year, thanks for making my point. Now, something the size of a pocket watch can let you know where you are anywhere on this planet within seconds. Soon the moon and within a decade Mars too. Amazing toy, for someone that actually uses them daily. I mean we all use them daily. You wouldn't have cable TV or your precious internet connection if GPS didn't exist. But, yes I meant a handheld device for bike touring. I'm not saying you couldn't get out of your state with just a compass, another fantastic little toy by the way. With a GPS you can easily get to any point that you want. Pretty slick trick, yeah I'm serious.
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We take a Garmin eTrex 20x backpacking as a backup to paper maps. For $200, especially if you see any off-trail adventures in your future, it's nice to have for the peace of mind. Even if you never used it, it's smaller than a deck of cards, so why not bring it if you have one?
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We take a Garmin eTrex 20x backpacking as a backup to paper maps. For $200, especially if you see any off-trail adventures in your future, it's nice to have for the peace of mind. Even if you never used it, it's smaller than a deck of cards, so why not bring it if you have one?
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Astoria Had about the 1st cable system in the US, a hilltop antenna to pick up over the air signals From Portland,
because line of sight analog signal reception was impossible because of that terrain.
You are not at Sea , you are on land, and can always ask the locals , questions.
because line of sight analog signal reception was impossible because of that terrain.
You are not at Sea , you are on land, and can always ask the locals , questions.
#99
Let'a drop this GPS nonsense (I crossed the U.S. with paper maps and got off course maybe three or four times) and get back to reality: Corkscrew. Don't leave home without it or you will die. I mean really DIE. I charge mine with my dyno hub.
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Stumbling around in the dark? Tell that to the Pre-Harappan Indus Valley Civilization who by 5000 BCE had developed the science of navigation. Or tell that to the Phoenicians, who by 1200 BCE had established a vast maritime trading network across the Mediterranean to the Atlantic, and spanning all of North Africa, Southern Europe, and Central Asia. We do not need GPS to travel.
Additionally to all you that point out that a cell phone is all you need, or "good enough", it has at least one GPS also.







