Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Touring
Reload this Page >

Absolute necessities?

Search
Notices
Touring Have a dream to ride a bike across your state, across the country, or around the world? Self-contained or fully supported? Trade ideas, adventures, and more in our bicycle touring forum.

Absolute necessities?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 05-22-17 | 11:11 PM
  #126  
Senior Member
 
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 1,023
Likes: 1
Originally Posted by DropBarFan
Phones are a curse for kids IMO, takes up all their spare time, no more casual outdoor play like bike riding. Parents give their kids car rides for even short distances, bikes rust away, forgotten.

I'm sure smartphones don't help but I think a bigger problem is how people are overly paranoid these days and will call the cops over just about anything. Including unattended kids riding around the neighborhood.

Originally Posted by DanBell
Going a bit off topic here, but I had read that in Japan while the advent of smartphones had reduced young people's ability to write as many kanji as previous generations can/could, they can actually read more than previous generations, as reading on an internet enabled device gives you the ability to quickly look up a symbol you don't know. It's a really interesting issue, and certainly not all doom and gloom.

Sounds about right. I know for sure that my ability to use a regular kanji dictionary has suffered. I've always been terrible at remembering how to actually write though, so I can't blame spell check for that at least.

Last edited by manapua_man; 05-22-17 at 11:18 PM.
manapua_man is offline  
Reply
Old 05-22-17 | 11:24 PM
  #127  
Senior Member
 
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 216
Likes: 1
Originally Posted by DropBarFan
Phones are a curse for kids IMO, takes up all their spare time, no more casual outdoor play like bike riding. Parents give their kids car rides for even short distances, bikes rust away, forgotten.
Most adults aren't doing much better...
john_mct is offline  
Reply
Old 05-22-17 | 11:28 PM
  #128  
Happy Feet's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Sep 2015
Posts: 5,126
Likes: 1,324
From: Left Coast, Canada
Originally Posted by DropBarFan
Phones are a curse for kids IMO, takes up all their spare time, no more casual outdoor play like bike riding. Parents give their kids car rides for even short distances, bikes rust away, forgotten.

I used to think this but try to see that their reality isn't better or worse, just different. Our world is just a story to them.

I work with the elderly and the men constantly relate that their life was just work work work. No fun, no vacation out of the ordinary. I'm sure to them my generation must seem very self indulgent with all our time off to have fun and travel and "express" ourselves, stretchy pants and all. Probably their generation couldn't understand why they didn't want to march off to war like cannon fodder for glory.

What's really trippy is trying to imagine what our kids kids will be doing. Maybe it will be like Wall - e or maybe they will all be living off the grid in tiny houses and riding bamboo bicycles.
Happy Feet is offline  
Reply
Old 06-04-17 | 02:51 PM
  #129  
BBassett's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 430
Likes: 15
From: Puyallup, WA

Bikes: Tout Terrain, Panamericana

Originally Posted by Happy Feet
My oldest son and I had an interesting discussion about this one time. I remarked that I'd been raised in an analog world and used "smart" technology as just another tool while still retaining my old school way of problem solving. He remarked that his was the first generation that had been raised in a purely digital format and found it odd to revert back to analog thinking instead of just running with what technology provided.

I think the challenge for future generations will not be data availability but rather how to independently sift through too much of it and pick out what's relevant.
It becomes all about doing the task properly and efficiently (whatever it is) without the assisting tech available. It may be fun to watch a McDonald's manager and staff try to operate when the computer drops out some afternoon, but figuring firing coordinates or single gun multiple round simultaneous impacts by hand becomes labored and dangerously slow inaccurate if the hands-on skill was never learned and practiced.
BBassett is offline  
Reply
Old 08-31-17 | 05:08 PM
  #130  
BBassett's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 430
Likes: 15
From: Puyallup, WA

Bikes: Tout Terrain, Panamericana

Originally Posted by raceboy
Absolute bike touring necessities? Bike. Map. Desire.
Yeah... and repair parts (tub/tire at a min.), water, 1st aid kit, tools, protection from the weather and sun, GPS/Phone, helmet, food, sleeping gear, more water..... this is all of course for real "bike touring" - Bicycle touring means self-contained cycling trips for pleasure, adventure, and autonomy rather than sport, commuting, or exercise. Touring can range from single-to multi-day trips, even years. Do you need a tire patch kit to ride to the grocery store, probably not? Are you stupid if you don't have one when you ride to the grocery store? Yes. Do you need a GPS to ride 100 miles to a specific location? No, a map will do for a lot of people. Is a map necessary? Most people will admit they think so. All a GPS is, is an electronic map. Common sense. After this, it becomes about higher degrees of comfort and convenience -vs- weight. The use of electric assist allows for more comfort and convenience. Multi year rides are about living on the bike, that changes opinions on what is "absolutely" necessary.
BBassett is offline  
Reply
Old 09-01-17 | 11:28 AM
  #131  
indyfabz's Avatar
Senior Member
15 Anniversary
Community Builder
Community Influencer
Active Streak: 30 Days
 
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 45,199
Likes: 23,368
Originally Posted by BBassett
Do you need a tire patch kit to ride to the grocery store, probably not? Are you stupid if you don't have one when you ride to the grocery store? Yes.
Guess I am stupid since I never take one (or a spare tube) when I ride the one mile from my house to the grocery store. If I were to get a flat I would rather walk home and take care of it rather than patch (or even change) a tube and pump while sitting on the sidewalk.
indyfabz is offline  
Reply
Old 09-23-17 | 12:55 AM
  #132  
BBassett's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 430
Likes: 15
From: Puyallup, WA

Bikes: Tout Terrain, Panamericana

Originally Posted by indyfabz
Guess I am stupid since I never take one (or a spare tube) when I ride the one mile from my house to the grocery store. If I were to get a flat I would rather walk home and take care of it rather than patch (or even change) a tube and pump while sitting on the sidewalk.
When I want to walk I go for a walk. When I want to ride... I ride. When my bike gets a flat I repair it, usually in less than 15 mins. and I keep riding. It's all about degrees. Does someone with severe allergies carry an epi-pen? Of course, they do, just stupid not to. Could I walk my bike to some other location to repair a flat? Sure, why would I? The real question is why wouldn't someone... wait!!!! We already answered that, didn't we?
BBassett is offline  
Reply
Old 09-23-17 | 01:11 AM
  #133  
saddlesores's Avatar
Senior Member
20 Anniversary
 
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 3,814
Likes: 434
From: Thailand..........currently Nakhon Ricefield, moving to the beach soon.

Bikes: inferior steel....alas....noodly aluminium assploded

Originally Posted by indyfabz
Guess I am stupid since I never take one (or a spare tube) when I ride the one mile from my house to the grocery store. If I were to get a flat I would rather walk home and take care of it rather than patch (or even change) a tube and pump while sitting on the sidewalk.
not stupid....you simply choose where you want to draw the line.
it's maybe not worth carrying extra stuff for a short, local ride,
say a mile to the circle K for lucky strikes and chew.

but change the parameters a bit.....the vittles store is 5 miles away.
you're returning with 2 saddlebags full of beer and beef jerky and
cheeze whiz (big date tonight, just the essentials!) and you get a
flat 1/2 mile from the store........
saddlesores is offline  
Reply
Old 09-23-17 | 05:49 AM
  #134  
J.Higgins's Avatar
2-Wheeled Fool
 
Joined: Sep 2016
Posts: 2,346
Likes: 680
From: New Hampshire

Bikes: Surly Ogre, Brompton

When I was a teenager growing up in Maine, I worked at a bike shop. I rode my Raleigh Grand Prix all over Hell and Creation, and never carried a thing with me. My girlfriend's house was five miles away, and used to ride there daily. I don't remember ever having a flat back then! Of course, I'm probably jinxing myself for the rest of my life just uttering that now, but wth.

Nowadays I have a saddlebag with tools, patches, etc, on every bike in my stable.
J.Higgins is offline  
Reply
Old 09-23-17 | 05:57 AM
  #135  
Senior Member
Titanium Club Membership
15 Anniversary
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 39,897
Likes: 3,865
From: New Rochelle, NY

Bikes: too many bikes from 1967 10s (5x2)Frejus to a Sumitomo Ti/Chorus aluminum 10s (10x2), plus one non-susp mtn bike I use as my commuter

Besides yourself and the bicycle, without which you can't do a bicycle tour, the only things you absolutely need are a cool head, decent coping skills, and a positive attitude.

Everything else is only about varying degrees of comfort.
__________________
FB
Chain-L site

An ounce of diagnosis is worth a pound of cure.

Just because I'm tired of arguing, doesn't mean you're right.

“One accurate measurement is worth a thousand expert opinions” - Adm Grace Murray Hopper - USN

WARNING, I'm from New York. Thin skinned people should maintain safe distance.
FBinNY is offline  
Reply
Old 09-23-17 | 10:16 AM
  #136  
Senior Member
15 Anniversary
 
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 2,946
Likes: 506
From: Elevation 666m Edmonton Canada

Bikes: 2013 Custom SA5w / Rohloff Tourster

One time I got 4 wire holes at once on a century day ride. Fixed 3 and had trouble with the 4th, plus I was getting swarmed by mosquitoes. So I pumped the tire as fast as I could and rode as fast as I could a half or 3/4 mile till it went half flat. It got me 7 miles to the town wal-mart.
GamblerGORD53 is offline  
Reply
Old 09-24-17 | 05:22 PM
  #137  
indyfabz's Avatar
Senior Member
15 Anniversary
Community Builder
Community Influencer
Active Streak: 30 Days
 
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 45,199
Likes: 23,368
Originally Posted by BBassett
When I want to walk I go for a walk. When I want to ride... I ride. When my bike gets a flat I repair it, usually in less than 15 mins. and I keep riding.
Guess I am just into efficiency. Why spend 15 min. sitting on the sidewalk changing a flat in the situation I mentioned when I can simply walk. But whatever. Maybe it's a big city thang, you know what I'm sayin'?
indyfabz is offline  
Reply
Old 09-24-17 | 07:55 PM
  #138  
BBassett's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 430
Likes: 15
From: Puyallup, WA

Bikes: Tout Terrain, Panamericana

Originally Posted by indyfabz
Guess I am just into efficiency. Why spend 15 min. sitting on the sidewalk changing a flat in the situation I mentioned when I can simply walk. But whatever. Maybe it's a big city thang, you know what I'm sayin'?
I don't usually sit when I patch a tube and/or replace it, but get what you're saying. I can still understand the thinking of someone that doesn't ride. If you walked where I ride daily you wouldn't call what you were doing efficient.
BBassett is offline  
Reply
Old 09-24-17 | 11:54 PM
  #139  
KD5NRH's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,696
Likes: 3
From: Stephenville TX

Bikes: 2010 Trek 7100

Originally Posted by GamblerGORD53
One time I got 4 wire holes at once on a century day ride. Fixed 3 and had trouble with the 4th, plus I was getting swarmed by mosquitoes. So I pumped the tire as fast as I could and rode as fast as I could a half or 3/4 mile till it went half flat. It got me 7 miles to the town wal-mart.
Same thing Friday night on the way to the state park; about 4-5 miles out I apparently picked up a wire in the back tire. Got stopped and started pondering taking the panniers off so I could flip the bike, and I was already swarmed. Hosed on some DEET, pumped it to about 50PSI, and hammered a half mile before it was too flat to ignore again. Lather, rinse, repeat. (Glad it was the back as the last hill was good for a no-pedal 30mph descent to the gate.) In the morning, found the wire, patched the tube, got it all back together and around 65PSI...the valve stem failed where it attaches to the tube.

And that's why I always carry a patch kit and a spare tube.

And then annoyingly, today the front tire was low. Glass shard worked its way through. Pretty sure that was from a busted bottle I ran over while dodging a pothole about 20 miles back.
KD5NRH is offline  
Reply
Old 09-25-17 | 01:38 AM
  #140  
Senior Member
20 Anniversary
 
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 16,767
Likes: 85
Originally Posted by BBassett
I don't usually sit when I patch a tube and/or replace it, but get what you're saying. I can still understand the thinking of someone that doesn't ride. If you walked where I ride daily you wouldn't call what you were doing efficient.
Time for

:

This should be a good one!!!

PS: Go INDY!
Rowan is offline  
Reply
Old 09-25-17 | 04:23 AM
  #141  
elcruxio's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Anniversary
 
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 2,923
Likes: 525
From: Turku, Finland, Europe

Bikes: 2011 Specialized crux comp, 2013 Specialized Rockhopper Pro

So it takes 20 minutes to actually walk that mile. A 15 minute patch job would then certainly take longer than the walking option since you still need to ride the distance as well.
elcruxio is offline  
Reply
Old 09-25-17 | 05:34 AM
  #142  
saddlesores's Avatar
Senior Member
20 Anniversary
 
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 3,814
Likes: 434
From: Thailand..........currently Nakhon Ricefield, moving to the beach soon.

Bikes: inferior steel....alas....noodly aluminium assploded

Originally Posted by elcruxio
So it takes 20 minutes to actually walk that mile. A 15 minute patch job would then certainly take longer than the walking option since you still need to ride the distance as well.
apples and rutabagas.

20 minutes to walk a mile (more like 15 minutes if in good shape)?
NOT if you carrying your loaded touring bike, or pushing it with a flat tar.
saddlesores is offline  
Reply
Old 09-26-17 | 01:48 AM
  #143  
Senior Member
20 Anniversary
 
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 16,767
Likes: 85
Originally Posted by indyfabz
Guess I am stupid since I never take one (or a spare tube) when I ride the one mile from my house to the grocery store. If I were to get a flat I would rather walk home and take care of it rather than patch (or even change) a tube and pump while sitting on the sidewalk.
The way I figure it, as a good cycling tourist, you've weighed the risks and the probabilities of a flat within a mile are pretty low. Even moreso, the remedy is pretty simple, too.

There are times when I have ridden some distance without tube and repair kit because I had forgotten to change over the gear from one bike to another. Living on the edge? Maybe. Stupid? Far from it, because the incidents gave me more data points to consider the risk of riding one mile the store and back again without a kit.

I've even ridden the last 10km of a century by stopping, inflating the tyre, riding about a two kilometre, inflating the tyre again... rinse and repeat. No damage to tyre or wheel. It was quicker to do that than stop and repair.

I've also ridden the last two kilometres on a work commute on a flat front, on more than one occasion.
Rowan is offline  
Reply
Old 09-26-17 | 03:09 AM
  #144  
Darth Lefty's Avatar
Disco Infiltrator
Titanium Club Membership
10 Anniversary
Community Builder
Active Streak: 30 Days
 
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 15,328
Likes: 3,518
From: Folsom CA

Bikes: Stormchaser, Paramount, Tilt, Samba tandem

Don't spend your time lookin' around,
For something you want but can't be found,
When you find out you can live without,
And go along not thinkin' about it,
I'll tell you something true,

The bare necessities of life will come to you!

But also the Ten Essentials - some of which are less essential if you aren't leaving civilization.
Navigation... which in the original backpacking sense it was a map and compass, but on roads could just be a map.
Sun protection
Layers
Flashlight
First aid kit
Fire
Tools - jackknife, baling wire, tape
Food - GORP
Water
Shelter

Toiletries and cooking are luxuries, but good ones.
__________________
Genesis 49:16-17
"Well, well!" said Holmes, impatiently. "A good cyclist does not need a high road. The moor is intersected with paths and the moon is at the full."

Last edited by Darth Lefty; 09-26-17 at 03:22 AM.
Darth Lefty is offline  
Reply
Old 09-26-17 | 11:00 PM
  #145  
KD5NRH's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,696
Likes: 3
From: Stephenville TX

Bikes: 2010 Trek 7100

Originally Posted by indyfabz
Guess I am stupid since I never take one (or a spare tube) when I ride the one mile from my house to the grocery store. If I were to get a flat I would rather walk home and take care of it rather than patch (or even change) a tube and pump while sitting on the sidewalk.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Ozark-Tra...hair/178622317

Fits perfectly on top of my rack, wedged under the seat bag that holds my spare tube, patch kit and multitool.

Now I just need a reasonably priced portable repair stand that will slide into its bag and I'll be all set.
KD5NRH is offline  
Reply
Old 09-29-17 | 10:57 AM
  #146  
jsigone's Avatar
got the climbing bug
20 Anniversary
 
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 10,268
Likes: 1,053
From: San Diego

Bikes: one for everything

folding solar panel (anker worked fine for me)

10000mah battery pack or larger

dual USB port AC plug in (i had a single port and was waking up in the middle of to night to change what was charging)

Body glide (cycling version)

Coffee, donuts and payday candy bars

Money, you need to eat plus get coffee and donuts + emergency hotel stops pend your area.
__________________
Rule #10 // It never gets easier, you just go faster.
jsigone is offline  
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
noglider
Electronics, Lighting, & Gadgets
7
02-12-19 05:49 PM
Edo
Electronics, Lighting, & Gadgets
0
07-28-17 10:49 AM
rl249
Electronics, Lighting, & Gadgets
22
10-09-15 06:49 AM
geo8rge
Electronics, Lighting, & Gadgets
3
03-31-12 08:00 AM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.