Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Touring
Reload this Page >

Lyme disease & touring

Search
Notices
Touring Have a dream to ride a bike across your state, across the country, or around the world? Self-contained or fully supported? Trade ideas, adventures, and more in our bicycle touring forum.

Lyme disease & touring

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 06-20-17, 04:02 PM
  #1  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
hartlean's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Western New York
Posts: 68

Bikes: 2008 Jamis Aurora; 2013 Surly Cross-Check

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 27 Post(s)
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Lyme disease & touring

Lyme disease is spreading in the US. Here in North Carolina, we were basically lyme-free until 2 years ago, & now 5 of our counties are affected. Due to climate change & more deer, the US disease incidence rate per 100,000 people has increased 100% in the past 25 years (900% in the UK).

Many Christians, like me, are taking steps to slow down climate change:
*reduce/reuse/recycle
*vote for environmental justice & responsibility
*replace car miles with bicycle miles
*...
However, if humanity wants to avoid the worst effects, including huge lyme disease outbreaks, everybody needs to change their lifestyles & voting.

To minimize my lyme risk while bike camping (esp. in MD, PA & NY), I have shaved off almost all my head hair & body hair. Liberal uses of insect repellent on skin & permethrin on clothes. Having friends check me for ticks every day. Camping only in early spring & late fall. However, I still don't really feel that safe.

Have you camped in areas with much lyme? Been infected? What precautions are you taking?
hartlean is offline  
Old 06-20-17, 04:36 PM
  #2  
Sunshine
 
mstateglfr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Des Moines, IA
Posts: 16,614

Bikes: '18 class built steel roadbike, '19 Fairlight Secan, '88 Schwinn Premis , Black Mountain Cycles Monstercross V4, '89 Novara Trionfo

Mentioned: 123 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 10964 Post(s)
Liked 7,491 Times in 4,189 Posts
Wait for it...

Last edited by mstateglfr; 06-20-17 at 08:29 PM.
mstateglfr is offline  
Old 06-20-17, 05:33 PM
  #3  
 
BigAura's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Chapin, SC
Posts: 3,423

Bikes: all steel stable: surly world troller, paris sport fixed, fuji ss

Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 623 Post(s)
Liked 55 Times in 33 Posts
Spray your tent and stuff with permethrin, be aware.... and most importantly --> chill.

Nature is WAY LESS dangerous than the cars & trucks out there.

Last edited by BigAura; 06-20-17 at 05:44 PM.
BigAura is offline  
Old 06-20-17, 05:47 PM
  #4  
Occam's Rotor
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 7,248
Mentioned: 61 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2366 Post(s)
Liked 2,331 Times in 1,164 Posts
I just dress up like a dog and get a vaccine for Lyme at the vet.

So Lyme spread to North Carolina from Connecticut due to climate change?
Cyclist0108 is offline  
Old 06-20-17, 05:51 PM
  #5  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Bay Area, Calif.
Posts: 7,239
Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 659 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 7 Times in 6 Posts
Hasn't been a big concern for me personally, but I do make a reasonable effort to look for ticks when hiking and camping. Lived in NJ during the '90s and helped with Girl Scout outings when our daughter was young. We sent ticks we found to the state lab for testing and did get back a number of reports that they were positive for Lyme. Fortunately none of the girls ever developed symptoms.

Haven't encountered nearly as many ticks since moving to California - in fact I haven't found any on myself in over 20 years.
prathmann is offline  
Old 06-20-17, 06:48 PM
  #6  
Banned.
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: ny
Posts: 1,764
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 36 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Politics, religion and snarky replies aside.... I have been exposed to to deer ticks(Lyme disease host) for the last 25 years. It is all about reasonable precautions. I don't wear shorts in fields or woods and I check myself everyday if out touring,hiking,hunting or camping. I wear a hat to limit the exposure to my scalp. I use deet based repellents in higher risk areas. I still have gotten a few tick bites but I kept a close watch for symptoms . So far, so good.
Cyclist0094 is offline  
Old 06-20-17, 06:58 PM
  #7  
Occam's Rotor
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 7,248
Mentioned: 61 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2366 Post(s)
Liked 2,331 Times in 1,164 Posts
Despite the deeply bizarre and surreal OP, Lyme disease is a huge problem, and the tick that is the vector can easily go completely unnoticed. My father-in-law got it somehow, and it went undiagnosed until it had done severe damage to his knees and heart, and I have heard of other instances where it can cause major cognitive damage as well. It is pretty much everywhere in the US at this point.

cf: https://www.cdc.gov/lyme/index.html
Cyclist0108 is offline  
Old 06-20-17, 07:25 PM
  #8  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: New Rochelle, NY
Posts: 38,725

Bikes: too many bikes from 1967 10s (5x2)Frejus to a Sumitomo Ti/Chorus aluminum 10s (10x2), plus one non-susp mtn bike I use as my commuter

Mentioned: 140 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5791 Post(s)
Liked 2,581 Times in 1,431 Posts
Blaming the spread of Lyme southwards on climate change is a bit of a stretch. If anything, warming in the Northern Hemisphere would spread it to the north.

But yes, the areas where Lyme is a problem are spreading outward from the epicenter in CT.

However, it's not time to panic or go crazy with worry. Stay out of high grass, and other places where you can pick up ticks, use insect repellent, and be highly cued in to possible early symptoms.

Maybe the most important thing to do is be sure your doctor knows you were in a Lyme hot spot, especially if you traveled there form places where Lyme isn't common. Then be ready to fight for good testing and treatment, because doctors can be very slow in mounting an assault of the disease. I know of at least one case, where local doctors ignored the possibility of Lyme for over one year in the face of multiple clues, and this was even in a county with Lyme alerts posted all over.
__________________
FB
Chain-L site

An ounce of diagnosis is worth a pound of cure.

Just because I'm tired of arguing, doesn't mean you're right.

“One accurate measurement is worth a thousand expert opinions” - Adm Grace Murray Hopper - USN

WARNING, I'm from New York. Thin skinned people should maintain safe distance.
FBinNY is offline  
Old 06-20-17, 07:33 PM
  #9  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Tallahassee, FL
Posts: 4,811
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1591 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1,020 Times in 572 Posts
Fortunately not yet prevalent in my area. I live in the woods and get a tick or two a week in the summer. There's really no avoiding them.
jon c. is offline  
Old 06-20-17, 07:36 PM
  #10  
Fraser Valley Dave
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Fraser Valley British Columbia Canada
Posts: 546

Bikes: devinci monaco (upgraded)

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 34 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Lyme's disease has also spread across southern Canada, including eastern and
central British Columbia. I personally know of a young lady that got bit early last
fall and still is suffering terribly as she very slowly improves even though she has
great medical care. She was bit on the back of her neck by a tiny juvenile tick.
For some unknown reason, we in Canada can't legally buy the Permethrin readily
available in the States even though our Armed Forces use it. When cycling and camping
in areas known to be a problem I use insect repellent and constantly check myself.
The really small ones the size of a pin head are very hard to notice and they are noted
to cause a lot of the problems.
Big Lew is offline  
Old 06-20-17, 07:40 PM
  #11  
Hooked on Touring
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Wyoming
Posts: 2,859
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 347 Post(s)
Liked 143 Times in 93 Posts
Please refrain from using images of persons who appear to have developmental disabilities to make your snarky point.
Not funny.
jamawani is offline  
Old 06-20-17, 08:24 PM
  #12  
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 2,013
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 287 Post(s)
Liked 120 Times in 88 Posts
Originally Posted by hartlean
Many Christians, like me, are taking steps to slow down climate change:
What does your religion have to do with climate change, Lyme disease, or bike touring? Why are you even mentioning your religion in a bike touring forum?
axolotl is offline  
Old 06-20-17, 08:29 PM
  #13  
Sunshine
 
mstateglfr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Des Moines, IA
Posts: 16,614

Bikes: '18 class built steel roadbike, '19 Fairlight Secan, '88 Schwinn Premis , Black Mountain Cycles Monstercross V4, '89 Novara Trionfo

Mentioned: 123 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 10964 Post(s)
Liked 7,491 Times in 4,189 Posts
Originally Posted by jamawani
Please refrain from using images of persons who appear to have developmental disabilities to make your snarky point.
Not funny.
Uh...ive always known the meme to be of a grandmother and her niece released the pic that went viral.
If the woman is developmentally disabled, i didnt know and never heard of that.

As for the snark- well really. That post was all over the place, referenced Christianity for no apparent reason, and there were some seriously hardcore decisions made for what is statistically a small issue. It deserved a 'wat'.

Sorry that pic of a woman was offensive.
Here is Beaker in a much less threatening meme.
mstateglfr is offline  
Old 06-21-17, 03:33 AM
  #14  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Boston area
Posts: 2,035

Bikes: 1984 Bridgestone 400 1985Univega nouevo sport 650b conversion 1993b'stone RBT 1985 Schwinn Tempo

Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 542 Post(s)
Liked 152 Times in 100 Posts
A few years ago the standard protocol for ticks was a prophylactic dose of doxycycline . It might be a good idea to carry some along with you and take the dose if you find a tick that has been feeding on you. But talk to a doctor knowledgeable about Lyme disease first.

There are other tick borne diseases besides Lyme, so be alert.

Ticks are active at temperatures above 50° F. whatever the season.
ironwood is offline  
Old 06-21-17, 03:55 AM
  #15  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: South Coast of Western Australia
Posts: 254
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 150 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by hartlean

Many Christians, like me, are taking steps to slow down climate change:
*reduce/reuse/recycle
*vote for environmental justice & responsibility
*replace car miles with bicycle miles
*...
However, if humanity wants to avoid the worst effects, including huge lyme disease outbreaks, everybody needs to change their lifestyles & voting.
Admirable sentiments. Here's some information to help you make a real difference...


Last edited by Ball Bearing; 06-21-17 at 04:05 AM.
Ball Bearing is offline  
Old 06-21-17, 05:40 AM
  #16  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
hartlean's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Western New York
Posts: 68

Bikes: 2008 Jamis Aurora; 2013 Surly Cross-Check

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 27 Post(s)
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thx for all the great advice, everybody. I'll try to respond more thoughtfully soon, but on the connection between climate change & lyme, see
https://www.vox.com/science-and-heal...global-warming
https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicato...s-lyme-disease
Will Climate Change Help Ticks And Mosquitoes Spread Disease : Goats and Soda : NPR
Apologies to the person who thought anything about my OP was insensitive or whatever.
hartlean is offline  
Old 06-21-17, 07:52 AM
  #17  
Fraser Valley Dave
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Fraser Valley British Columbia Canada
Posts: 546

Bikes: devinci monaco (upgraded)

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 34 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by ironwood
A few years ago the standard protocol for ticks was a prophylactic dose of doxycycline . It might be a good idea to carry some along with you and take the dose if you find a tick that has been feeding on you. But talk to a doctor knowledgeable about Lyme disease first.

There are other tick borne diseases besides Lyme, so be alert.

Ticks are active at temperatures above 50° F. whatever the season.
I have seen literally dozens of ticks crawling over the ice at the bottom of a frozen waterfall
by Pavilion Lake in BC. In BC's Interior and Okanagan the worst time seems to be during March
through to Early June which seems to be their most active breeding season.
Big Lew is offline  
Old 06-21-17, 09:02 AM
  #18  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Along the Rivers of Pittsburgh
Posts: 1,255

Bikes: 2011 Novara Forza Hybrid, 2005 Trek 820, 1989 Cannondale SR500 Black Lightning, 1975 Mundo Cycles Caloi Racer

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 258 Post(s)
Liked 291 Times in 157 Posts
My wife was bitten and infected prior to the medical and health professionals acknowledging that our county had any Lyme's. It took 8 months to reach a correct diagnosis during which the disease severely injured her knee joints,brought on severe fatigue symptoms (to the point of just being able to get up in the morning, drag through a work day, and then collapse into bed at night), and other issues. I seriously thought she was going to die. A very prolonged treatment plan of name-brand doxycycline restored most of her health. Her knees, though, never recovered.

Be very cognizant of the ticks, deer, and mice that vector the disease.
Altair 4 is offline  
Old 06-21-17, 09:10 AM
  #19  
Clark W. Griswold
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: ,location, location
Posts: 13,525

Bikes: Foundry Chilkoot Ti W/Ultegra Di2, Salsa Timberjack Ti, Cinelli Mash Work RandoCross Fun Time Machine, 1x9 XT Parts Hybrid, Co-Motion Cascadia, Specialized Langster, Phil Wood Apple VeloXS Frame (w/DA 7400), R+M Supercharger2 Rohloff, Habanero Ti 26

Mentioned: 54 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4357 Post(s)
Liked 3,995 Times in 2,666 Posts
I think someone is just ticked off...LOL
veganbikes is offline  
Old 06-21-17, 09:20 AM
  #20  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: New Rochelle, NY
Posts: 38,725

Bikes: too many bikes from 1967 10s (5x2)Frejus to a Sumitomo Ti/Chorus aluminum 10s (10x2), plus one non-susp mtn bike I use as my commuter

Mentioned: 140 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5791 Post(s)
Liked 2,581 Times in 1,431 Posts
Originally Posted by Altair 4
My wife was bitten and infected prior to the medical and health professionals acknowledging that our county had any Lyme's. It took 8 months to reach a correct diagnosis during which the disease severely injured her knee joints,brought on severe fatigue symptoms......
Sorry to hear about your wife, and hopefully her knees aren't too bad.

However, this is still a problem. Doctors are slow to acknowledge and properly test for and treat Lyme. I know of a few cases here in NYS, that were comparably mismanaged, despite being in areas known for Lyme at the time.

If you suspect a decent possibility of having Lyme, you need to be assertive with your doctor, especially if you travel because your local doctor may not be considering the possibility.
__________________
FB
Chain-L site

An ounce of diagnosis is worth a pound of cure.

Just because I'm tired of arguing, doesn't mean you're right.

“One accurate measurement is worth a thousand expert opinions” - Adm Grace Murray Hopper - USN

WARNING, I'm from New York. Thin skinned people should maintain safe distance.
FBinNY is offline  
Old 06-21-17, 09:45 AM
  #21  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Mid-Atlantic, USA
Posts: 357

Bikes: S-Works Tarmac 2017 - TREK Madone - Cannondale CAPO

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 206 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by hartlean
Lyme disease is spreading in the US. Here in North Carolina, we were basically lyme-free until 2 years ago, & now 5 of our counties are affected. Due to climate change & more deer, the US disease incidence rate per 100,000 people has increased 100% in the past 25 years (900% in the UK).

Many Christians, like me, are taking steps to slow down climate change:
*reduce/reuse/recycle
*vote for environmental justice & responsibility
*replace car miles with bicycle miles
*...
However, if humanity wants to avoid the worst effects, including huge lyme disease outbreaks, everybody needs to change their lifestyles & voting.

To minimize my lyme risk while bike camping (esp. in MD, PA & NY), I have shaved off almost all my head hair & body hair. Liberal uses of insect repellent on skin & permethrin on clothes. Having friends check me for ticks every day. Camping only in early spring & late fall. However, I still don't really feel that safe.

Have you camped in areas with much lyme? Been infected? What precautions are you taking?
I have lyme and am sure there are things you can do to better your odds but the only bulletproof method is to stay inside. What does voting or Christianity have to do w/lyme?
JagR is offline  
Old 06-21-17, 10:07 AM
  #22  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Boston area
Posts: 2,035

Bikes: 1984 Bridgestone 400 1985Univega nouevo sport 650b conversion 1993b'stone RBT 1985 Schwinn Tempo

Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 542 Post(s)
Liked 152 Times in 100 Posts
Originally Posted by Big Lew
I have seen literally dozens of ticks crawling over the ice at the bottom of a frozen waterfall
by Pavilion Lake in BC. In BC's Interior and Okanagan the worst time seems to be during March
through to Early June which seems to be their most active breeding season.
Were they the deer ticks that carry Lyme? I have found deer ticks on my clothing on a warm winter day even though there was snow on the ground.

As to the OP's idea that global warming has caused lyme disease to move South to NC, I'm puzzled. It makes sense to blame global warming for the northward progress of Lyme from Southern NE to northern NE and Canada, but NC has always been warmer than NE.

Maybe it's the deer.
ironwood is offline  
Old 06-21-17, 10:18 AM
  #23  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
hartlean's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Western New York
Posts: 68

Bikes: 2008 Jamis Aurora; 2013 Surly Cross-Check

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 27 Post(s)
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Doxy

Originally Posted by ironwood
A few years ago the standard protocol for ticks was a prophylactic dose of doxycycline . It might be a good idea to carry some along with you and take the dose if you find a tick that has been feeding on you. But talk to a doctor knowledgeable about Lyme disease first.

There are other tick borne diseases besides Lyme, so be alert.

Ticks are active at temperatures above 50° F. whatever the season.


Thanks, Ironwood, but my understanding is that, while in some countries Doxycycline is available without a doctors prescription, in the US it is available only with a prescription.


Since it's an antibiotic, I can see why a prescription would be needed. Over-use of ABX leads to medication-resistant strains of bugs.
hartlean is offline  
Old 06-21-17, 10:23 AM
  #24  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Mid-Atlantic, USA
Posts: 357

Bikes: S-Works Tarmac 2017 - TREK Madone - Cannondale CAPO

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 206 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Altair 4
My wife was bitten and infected prior to the medical and health professionals acknowledging that our county had any Lyme's. It took 8 months to reach a correct diagnosis during which the disease severely injured her knee joints,brought on severe fatigue symptoms (to the point of just being able to get up in the morning, drag through a work day, and then collapse into bed at night), and other issues. I seriously thought she was going to die. A very prolonged treatment plan of name-brand doxycycline restored most of her health. Her knees, though, never recovered.

Be very cognizant of the ticks, deer, and mice that vector the disease.
It is a really hard thing to diagnose. I was tested multiple times and the 1st couple were all different.

FYI to all...there are other ticks out there. Texas tick and some other that hides under your skin.
JagR is offline  
Old 06-21-17, 10:24 AM
  #25  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Mid-Atlantic, USA
Posts: 357

Bikes: S-Works Tarmac 2017 - TREK Madone - Cannondale CAPO

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 206 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by ironwood
Were they the deer ticks that carry Lyme? I have found deer ticks on my clothing on a warm winter day even though there was snow on the ground.

As to the OP's idea that global warming has caused lyme disease to move South to NC, I'm puzzled. It makes sense to blame global warming for the northward progress of Lyme from Southern NE to northern NE and Canada, but NC has always been warmer than NE.

Maybe it's the deer.
Just another person trying to get in a dig...
JagR is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.