It is jamawani's thread. He can close it if he wants to. Thanks for ruining an otherwise useful thread.

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww, I'm sooorrrrrrrrrrrrrry the topic drifted, almost 90 to 180 degs. off bow. When was the last time you paid to camp somewhere?

Not really worried about the slap on the wrist, more worried about the being told to pack up and move on at 130am when I have inadequate lighting and am groggy as heck.

Don’t close it, please.
I find his rants entertaining.
All this from someone who has an electric assist bike.
Sounds like he has solved the last mile problem. (Get on your bike and go get your food at the store). I’m just waiting for his solution on how to get the food to the store without internal combustion. This ought to be good.

Well I usually get food from the store. But I think I know what you meant. Anyway at home I often pick up several days of food at the grocery with my bicycle. Both panniers are often packed full.

When I am on tour and I camp, I usually don't cook. Rather try to find a campsite near restaurants. When I credit card tour I often take the bicycle to the restaurant. Most memorable was Metaline Falls. Stayed at an awesome motel outside of town. Only restaurant was in town. Pitch black going back to the motel. All I could think of was a bear wandering out onto the road in front of me on the climb back to the motel.

I haven't ever had that. I had one park attendant tell me that if I move my tent about 20" that I won't even be in the part and can still use all the infrastructure. He helped me move the tent and gear and then helped himself to 1/2 my bota bag of rum.

Battery powered autonomous shipping vehicles of course. They are already being tested in several places in the U.S. and around the world, like Australia, what in the heck could they possibly run into in Austraila? Yes, I do understand how dirty the production of batteries can be and what the eco-system goes through for us to get the components. It's not a free system, everything we do has costs, and I am not talking money. I use the ebike to save time and because I have broken both ankles, my right leg, left arm and three fingers on my left hand, so mobility is an issue that I deal with and assume will have to forever. Why not a motorcycle? Because with my ebike (even with 4 panniers, a bar-bag and pulling a loaded trailer) I can ride (Tour) anywhere in America that a bicycle is allowed. No restrictions, no ID, no insurance, no papers, no identification even if I chose, just like biking was supposed to be from the start.

Not really an an answer to how to get an affordable banana to Washington state without co2 emmisions. I guess it’s above your head. More ******* bologna is a way to skirt the question.

Wait just One Minute Mister! You bad mouthed me out for wandering off topic, I apologize and snap things back in line and you take us to the Grocery Store and Metaline Falls? Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, in my most snotty voice and with arms crossed over my chest, "Shame on You Sir! Now you have ruined a perfectly good thread!" <Big Sigh!>

It's been my point all along that maybe we need to sacrifice some things that we have been taking for granted for decades now. Like eating a genetically modified seedless banana in Anchorage, Alaska in January. And you didn't say "product to store from the place of origin." You said, "I’m just waiting for his solution on how to get the food to the store without internal combustion." Since you weren't clear, I assumed you meant from cargo shipping centers at ports around the country. That will all be handled by autonomous electric cargo truck. Cargo ships are the worst polluters on the planet since they literally burn the "bottom of the barrel", so to speak. The actual dregs of the fluorocarbon chains. Some redesign of engines and hulls has helped get better mileage. Even going as far as to employ huge power kites to help pull specially designed vessels. But shipping has been over the last century and will be in the foreseeable future, costly in dollars and in eco-damage. It's not going to be magic, it's going to be science and human commitment that makes the changes.

"It's what you learn after you know it all that counts." John Wooden, UCLA BB Coach

True. And I have learned that the majority of (semi) educated people in the world and specifically America, would rather pretend that we aren't in trouble and fly to Vegas. It makes me horribly sad, but not overly surprised. People care more about themselves and their toys then they do for this planet. Reap what you sow gentlemen. Amen.

BBassett,

With regards to saving the planet, how would you go about the cow farting and burping problem mate?

We’ve Grossly Underestimated How Much Cow Farts Are Contributing to Global Warming

A new NASA-sponsored study shows that global methane emissions produced by livestock are 11 percent higher than estimates made last decade. Because methane is a particularly nasty greenhouse gas, the new finding means it’s going to be even tougher to combat climate change than we realized.

We’ve known for quite some time that greenhouse gases produced by cattle, sheep, and pigs are a significant contributor to global warming, but the new research, published in Carbon Balance and Management, shows it’s worse than we thought. Revised figures of methane produced by livestock in 2011 were 11 percent higher than estimates made in 2006 by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)—a now out-of-date estimate.

There are approximately 1.5 billion cows on the planet, each and every one of them expelling upwards of 30 to 50 gallons of methane each day. We typically think of farts as being the culprit, but belches are actually the primary source of cattle-produced methane, accounting for 95 percent of the problematic greenhouse gas.

I'm not really sure who the "We" is that you refer to. Yes, it has been well understood and documented for decades how costly the dairy and meat industries are to our environment. Over half of all worldwide greenhouse gas emissions are attributable to livestock. I am guessing from your use of the word "mate" that you are Australian, so you may not have heard of this but, there are, walking amongst us on a daily basis people that don't... eat......, wait for it, meat. Don't eat it at all. Some of the extra crazy ones won't even eat honey. Vegtableatarians or something like that. The problem is that a lot of countries unlike America that haven't been eating a 50% meat diet in the past, like China, are now able to provide meat in ever-growing quantities. More meat, less fish, rice, and vegetables. And the great kicker, the 2-Fer is that it takes more coal usage to cook meat. So an increasing meat industry and increased coal usage. Oh Yeah! Now I know the V word is scary, but it would be the best place to start working together as a species and control this aspect of greenhouse gasses. Reducing the need for meat products reduces the number of farting burping cows. Which is good, but whats even better is that there is much much more eco-damage done after the cows are hanging and bleeding out, almost 40 million a year just in the U.S. So more vegetarian means a huge bonus to the ecosphere, mate.

i see the entertainment from post #137 has arrived.

"A little song, a little dance, a little seltzer down your pants"

I assure you, there was no "Entertainment" in post #137.

Done.