Light, Rechargeable, Compact -- Microwave Ovens for Touring?
01-28-08, 04:21 PM
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I think geothermal power might be a good option. If you're in, say, north island of New Zealand, just cook your food in thermal springs.
01-28-08, 04:22 PM
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"Green papaya fruit and the trees latex are both rich in an enzyme called papain, a protease which is useful in tenderizing meat and other proteins. Its ability to break down tough meat fibers was utilized for thousands of years by indigenous Americans. It is included as a component in powdered meat tenderizers, and is also marketed in tablet form to remedy digestive problems. Green papaya is used in Thai cuisine, both raw and cooked.[1] "
Good old indigenous Americans; I'll bet they had some other ideas too.
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[They did use rocks that were heated in fires. They would used them for cooking.]
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I suppose that would be a useful option in some situations.
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I'm starting to appreciate having a whole set of options, and then using different ones in different situations.
[The rocks don't have to be carried; they can be used as available.]
[--same with a variety of other options....]
Good old indigenous Americans; I'll bet they had some other ideas too.
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[They did use rocks that were heated in fires. They would used them for cooking.]
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I suppose that would be a useful option in some situations.
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I'm starting to appreciate having a whole set of options, and then using different ones in different situations.
[The rocks don't have to be carried; they can be used as available.]
[--same with a variety of other options....]
01-28-08, 04:23 PM
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Niles, why not carry a microwave or toaster oven (much lighter) and plug in to power points at campsites, public toilets, public libraries etc. That way you can have a full roast dinner whenever you pass a power point.
01-28-08, 04:27 PM
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I used to use papain powder (Masterfoods brand from memory) to help strip the flesh from human bones in an anatomy research project several years ago. It didn't work well enough to be worth the time.
I have never been able to bring myself to use commercial steak tenderizer since.
I have never been able to bring myself to use commercial steak tenderizer since.
01-28-08, 09:10 PM
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I used to use papain powder (Masterfoods brand from memory) to help strip the flesh from human bones in an anatomy research project several years ago. It didn't work well enough to be worth the time.
I have never been able to bring myself to use commercial steak tenderizer since.
I have never been able to bring myself to use commercial steak tenderizer since.
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OK Niles here are some other ideas to look at:
- Boiling water from friendly RVers or fast food shops, use thermos flask to slow-cook
- Solar oven on top of the rear rack
- Solar and hub generator trickle-charging of batteries; use these on some sort of thermal heat exchanger to increase efficiency rather than directly using the electricity to produce microwaves. Maybe the heat exchanger could be linked to a cooling vest so you stay cool while dinner gets hot.
- Tour in Australia or Claifornia or Greece in summer and cook on the bushfires
- Arai drum brake (used on rear wheel of some tandems to slow them on long descents), dissipate heat into cooking instead of into the air (could do the same with disc brakes I guess)
- Sit on a steak, combining slow heat cooking with bacterial proteolysis (like truckies putting a foil-wrapped steak on the engine block!)
- Replace brake pads with beef jerky
- Enzymatic or chemical cooking of foods eg. fish in lime juice
- Tow a large solar array on a modified BOB trailer. Add a wind turbine for the downhills.
- Boiling water from friendly RVers or fast food shops, use thermos flask to slow-cook
- Solar oven on top of the rear rack
- Solar and hub generator trickle-charging of batteries; use these on some sort of thermal heat exchanger to increase efficiency rather than directly using the electricity to produce microwaves. Maybe the heat exchanger could be linked to a cooling vest so you stay cool while dinner gets hot.
- Tour in Australia or Claifornia or Greece in summer and cook on the bushfires
- Arai drum brake (used on rear wheel of some tandems to slow them on long descents), dissipate heat into cooking instead of into the air (could do the same with disc brakes I guess)
- Sit on a steak, combining slow heat cooking with bacterial proteolysis (like truckies putting a foil-wrapped steak on the engine block!)
- Replace brake pads with beef jerky
- Enzymatic or chemical cooking of foods eg. fish in lime juice
- Tow a large solar array on a modified BOB trailer. Add a wind turbine for the downhills.
01-29-08, 07:56 PM
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01-29-08, 08:06 PM
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I think this thread should be a sticky because of the invaluable, down-to-earth information it contains.
01-29-08, 08:45 PM
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I have the solution to your power problems, Niles 
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01-29-08, 10:44 PM
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East Hill thanks for linking us to this thread (came from hotbike's hot-bikes)
If you wanted to use a microwave oven, you could convert chemical energy in to electrical. Even though there will be loss, you can still power your microwave.
I think solid rocket fule (boosters) has one of the highest energy densities ( I would think), But once you ignite it, its all going to burn, so you would need small pellets and input the amount you need.
And its pretty much a high explosive. Like carrying pellets of C4 but with more energy (right?)
By regulating the gas you can chanal(sp) the gasses to a turbine, which is conected to a generator. You can store these bursts of energy in larg caps and then discgarge them to power the micro wave.
And if you ever need to blow somthing up, you have tools.
I would use larger more correct words, but this phone dosn't have a spell checker.
If you wanted to use a microwave oven, you could convert chemical energy in to electrical. Even though there will be loss, you can still power your microwave.
I think solid rocket fule (boosters) has one of the highest energy densities ( I would think), But once you ignite it, its all going to burn, so you would need small pellets and input the amount you need.
And its pretty much a high explosive. Like carrying pellets of C4 but with more energy (right?)
By regulating the gas you can chanal(sp) the gasses to a turbine, which is conected to a generator. You can store these bursts of energy in larg caps and then discgarge them to power the micro wave.
And if you ever need to blow somthing up, you have tools.
I would use larger more correct words, but this phone dosn't have a spell checker.
01-30-08, 07:22 PM
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This thread is getting out of hand!
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01-30-08, 07:31 PM
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I used an MSR stove in hotel rooms in India. It seemed (at first) like a good way to go -- it was independent of electricity; I was self-sufficient and able to cook just about anywhere, any time....
It would have been far better [literally so] to have had a very light, compact, open-magnetron microwave unit.
Aside from all the other advantages [like freedom from the fumes, noise, ventilation problems, fuel smells, toxins in the air, unpleasant and persistent (and sometimes nauseating) residual smells in the rooms, etc.], time also counts for something.
Microwaves are quick. And clean. And they dramatically streamline the whole process of cooking meals.
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On some trips, electrical outlets are abundantly available, and they are free of charge.
The amount of electricity used is minimal, especially since the time (or duration of use) is so minimal.
It would have been far better [literally so] to have had a very light, compact, open-magnetron microwave unit.
Aside from all the other advantages [like freedom from the fumes, noise, ventilation problems, fuel smells, toxins in the air, unpleasant and persistent (and sometimes nauseating) residual smells in the rooms, etc.], time also counts for something.
Microwaves are quick. And clean. And they dramatically streamline the whole process of cooking meals.
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On some trips, electrical outlets are abundantly available, and they are free of charge.
The amount of electricity used is minimal, especially since the time (or duration of use) is so minimal.
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01-30-08, 07:37 PM
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The Xtracycle people have devised ways of producing electricity with their bikes. Someone pedals the bike as if they were on a stationary bike, and provides the power for lights, amplifiers, sound systems, etc..
This guy gives a talk on being able to produce your own electricity,
https://youtube.com/watch?v=QJy-o-qDmGQ
[for an abbreviated version, from about 05:29 onward gives the gist of it]
"...to take control of their own electricity...."
This guy gives a talk on being able to produce your own electricity,
https://youtube.com/watch?v=QJy-o-qDmGQ
[for an abbreviated version, from about 05:29 onward gives the gist of it]
"...to take control of their own electricity...."
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The Xtracycle people have devised ways of producing electricity with their bikes. Someone pedals the bike as if they were on a stationary bike, and provides the power for their lights, amplifiers, sound systems, etc..
This guy gives a talk on being able to produce your own electricity,
https://youtube.com/watch?v=QJy-o-qDmGQ
[for an abbreviated version, from about 05:29 onward gives the gist of it]
"...to take control of their own electricity...."
This guy gives a talk on being able to produce your own electricity,
https://youtube.com/watch?v=QJy-o-qDmGQ
[for an abbreviated version, from about 05:29 onward gives the gist of it]
"...to take control of their own electricity...."
02-14-08, 09:43 AM
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In a closed microwave container the waves that miss the target (the food) are reflected off the walls and get what amounts to a second (third? fourth?) chance to hit the target. Little of the energy goes into heating the container walls, it goes toward heating the food.
In an open magnetron system, waves that miss the target will just end up heating the ground, or the air, or communicating with space aliens.
You are probably better off keeping the microwave containment.
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