LHT vs Cross Check........again
08-11-14 | 05:14 PM
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08-11-14 | 07:53 PM
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Regarding the BB drop, I have a Hunqapillar and just was out single trackin' on it the other day. In fact I use the 175mm Andel crank I raided from my LHT when I upgraded the frame to the Hunq. I haven't experienced any problems and ride gravel, two tracks and even MTB trails quite often.
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08-12-14 | 10:37 PM
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08-13-14 | 12:26 PM
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08-13-14 | 01:48 PM
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BB height is identical on 26 and 700c LHTs - in fact it is the same on every LHT, Trucker Deluxe and Disc Trucker ever made.
BB drop is different to accommodate the two distinct radii/axle heights of 26 and 700c wheels. For a given size of tire, the difference is BSD/2, or (622-559)/2= 31.5mm, thus the 47mm and 47+31=78mm BB drops for 26 and 700 version LHTs, respectively.
BB drop is different to accommodate the two distinct radii/axle heights of 26 and 700c wheels. For a given size of tire, the difference is BSD/2, or (622-559)/2= 31.5mm, thus the 47mm and 47+31=78mm BB drops for 26 and 700 version LHTs, respectively.
08-13-14 | 05:37 PM
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I had a 700c 56cm LHT and a 26" 56cm LHT. "Wheel flop" was noticeable, low speed handling awkward, harder to ride hands free at lower speeds, front wheel overlap with fenders objectionable for low speed maneuvering as occurs starting off up a hill or from intersections. For straight line long distance riding these issues are minor but as an around town utility bike, load hauler AND loaded touring bike maneuvering in tight traffic I was getting a bike that suited my preferences better in the 26" version.
08-14-14 | 06:23 AM
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BB height is identical on 26 and 700c LHTs - in fact it is the same on every LHT, Trucker Deluxe and Disc Trucker ever made.
BB drop is different to accommodate the two distinct radii/axle heights of 26 and 700c wheels. For a given size of tire, the difference is BSD/2, or (622-559)/2= 31.5mm, thus the 47mm and 47+31=78mm BB drops for 26 and 700 version LHTs, respectively.
BB drop is different to accommodate the two distinct radii/axle heights of 26 and 700c wheels. For a given size of tire, the difference is BSD/2, or (622-559)/2= 31.5mm, thus the 47mm and 47+31=78mm BB drops for 26 and 700 version LHTs, respectively.
There is more with effective wheel diameter than just rim diameter. Considering the situations where BB height matters, the 700c would be on something like 700x45 tires and the 26" on 26x2.0. The 26x2.0 has a taller profile than the 700x45, therefore raising the BB for an otherwise equivalent geometry. The final result is a 8mm advantage in height for the 26".
As you might see:
08-14-14 | 11:28 AM
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You need to do the whole math in order to understand what I said.
There is more with effective wheel diameter than just rim diameter. Considering the situations where BB height matters, the 700c would be on something like 700x45 tires and the 26" on 26x2.0. The 26x2.0 has a taller profile than the 700x45, therefore raising the BB for an otherwise equivalent geometry. The final result is a 8mm advantage in height for the 26".
As you might see:
There is more with effective wheel diameter than just rim diameter. Considering the situations where BB height matters, the 700c would be on something like 700x45 tires and the 26" on 26x2.0. The 26x2.0 has a taller profile than the 700x45, therefore raising the BB for an otherwise equivalent geometry. The final result is a 8mm advantage in height for the 26".
As you might see:
what I can't figure is why the 26" versions have a longer wheelbase
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08-14-14 | 01:27 PM
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I wonder if the Surly site has typos, I'll measure it later. Again if you're looking for a 58cm the differences may not be as marked as they are in the 56cm version. I found 1.5" tires too hard unless they were light/supple tires at just the right pressure, the surprising part though was how low the rotational weight was wrt accelerating, but that's a five year memory and 30less pounds ago. 2" tires seem like overkill for paved roads. It seems like you're deciding more towards a load carrier while your original post implied more unloaded use.
yep, 42.5"
yep, 42.5"
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08-16-14 | 07:57 AM
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I agree completely. I bought my Saga for the above mentioned reason, plus it has a really tall headtube so you can get your bars up there with out so many spacers. Top tube a bit shorter than the LHT, which I find to be a good thing. I paid about $450 for the frame and fork so not much more than a LHT.
08-16-14 | 08:19 AM
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Due to some professional changes over the last couple of weeks, a South America tour became possible over the short/mid term. That's what's keeping between 26" and 700c
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08-17-14 | 09:07 AM
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26". I would get the 26" for myself. I just think it's a great wheel size even for the 62cm that I would need. There is a huge variety of awesome tires for 559 rims from skinny to fat 2.3" and completely slick to mega knobby and everywhere in between. The 26" trucker could easily be somebody's only bike without much compromise anywhere.
It's a bike that makes me think of my old steel mtbs in the 90s with rigid forks and cantis. I rode them everywhere and for everything without a second thought. They were great for all of it. The 26" lht would conjure the same sort of feeling I imagine.
It's a bike that makes me think of my old steel mtbs in the 90s with rigid forks and cantis. I rode them everywhere and for everything without a second thought. They were great for all of it. The 26" lht would conjure the same sort of feeling I imagine.
08-17-14 | 09:49 AM
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08-17-14 | 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by LeeG 
Unless one prefers how the 26" handles. The 58cm 700c LHT may be different than the 56cm 700c LHT but I found the 56cm 700c LHT not to my taste compared to the 26" wheel version.
You are the first one I know then.
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You're kidding right? Or you know remarkably few people who ride bikes. You might want to read the posts on this thread and others on this topic. There are a lot of people whose taste runs to 26 inch wheels for a number of different applications.
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You're kidding right? Or you know remarkably few people who ride bikes. You might want to read the posts on this thread and others on this topic. There are a lot of people whose taste runs to 26 inch wheels for a number of different applications.
08-17-14 | 01:45 PM
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26". I would get the 26" for myself. I just think it's a great wheel size even for the 62cm that I would need. There is a huge variety of awesome tires for 559 rims from skinny to fat 2.3" and completely slick to mega knobby and everywhere in between. The 26" trucker could easily be somebody's only bike without much compromise anywhere.
It's a bike that makes me think of my old steel mtbs in the 90s with rigid forks and cantis. I rode them everywhere and for everything without a second thought. They were great for all of it. The 26" lht would conjure the same sort of feeling I imagine.
It's a bike that makes me think of my old steel mtbs in the 90s with rigid forks and cantis. I rode them everywhere and for everything without a second thought. They were great for all of it. The 26" lht would conjure the same sort of feeling I imagine.
Shame that the offer of quality 26" tires seems to be shrinking on stores, now with the popularity of 29 and 27,5 wheels
I sometimes setup my late 90's Zaskar with 26x1.5 Vittoria Randoneurs and feel somewhat disapointed on how slower they feel compared to my old Surly Ogre with 700x28c Michelin Dynamics. From everything I read it seems that the difference shouldn't be that big
08-17-14 | 10:02 PM
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+ 1 - I am just selling my last LHT and building up a Straggler. My riding needs have shifted to lighter loads and longer distances. The LHT is a tank in both the good and bad uses of the word. When heavily loaded it rides best and gets the job done. Riding with lighter loads/unloaded and trying to cover longer distances efficiently it is not a fun bike to ride.
I kept it as long as could for sentimental reasons, but sanity prevailed and I realized how little I enjoyed riding it unloaded and decided to get a more appropriate bike.
Although my touring these days is largely ultralight mountain biking based I have no fears that the Straggler will take a moderate touring load comfortably should I decide to do a road tour again.
I kept it as long as could for sentimental reasons, but sanity prevailed and I realized how little I enjoyed riding it unloaded and decided to get a more appropriate bike.
Although my touring these days is largely ultralight mountain biking based I have no fears that the Straggler will take a moderate touring load comfortably should I decide to do a road tour again.
08-18-14 | 07:17 AM
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Well I think life is too short to keep/ride a bike you don't love. I built up ^^^ this to replace the LHT for my 50km commute.
It's setup SS, but the rear hub can be converted to a 1x geared system fairly easily if I want to do some light touring.
My touring these days is mainly limited to my MTB so the LHT will go up for sale.
08-20-14 | 02:37 PM
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That reminds me now that the Straggler is up and running I need to clean up the LHT and take some pics to sell it. I tore a muscle in my arm MTB touring so I'm off the bike for a while. I need to use this time to take care of my epicly long To Do List.
08-20-14 | 11:46 PM
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My post on page one had a broken image link and I didn't notice until now. In case anyone is still wondering, here's what my Cross Check setup looked like. The picture was taken near Yangshuo, Guangxi, China. The bike has since been run over by a car. Many of the parts still live on attached to my new bike.
08-30-14 | 08:37 AM
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Regardless of wheel size, I was thinking about getting 36h Mavic XM317 or A319 rims. I keep reading great reviews about the Rigida (now Ryde) Sputnik, which I can get pretty cheap. Are they a better option for a bike that it going to be ridden loaded aboard?
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08-31-14 | 05:58 AM
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