Considering Raw/Vegan
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Considering Raw/Vegan
I've already eliminated most processed foods from my life and I have found myself consuming more and more fresh fruits and veggies. I really only eat one *real* meal a day (family dinner) and even then its a cooked veggie or sweet potato. Otherwise I snack all day on fruit, veggies, nuts, etc.
A distance runner friend is 100% vegan. He swears by the "30-bananas/day" lifestyle. He challenged me to try 100% raw for two weeks. I have gone for a few days straight before but stopped because the gas, cramps and bloating were too much. Is this normal? Does it go away? I read that if I do eat something cooked, it should be the last thing I eat for the day.
A distance runner friend is 100% vegan. He swears by the "30-bananas/day" lifestyle. He challenged me to try 100% raw for two weeks. I have gone for a few days straight before but stopped because the gas, cramps and bloating were too much. Is this normal? Does it go away? I read that if I do eat something cooked, it should be the last thing I eat for the day.
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Raw veganism is an "unhealthy fad" which will make you very weak and ruin your health. You won't have any energy and stamina to do anything.
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A vegan diet has worked for many athletes and beginning at this site for information might provide some healpfull guidance ......
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A guy that rides with us sometimes used to be a very strong rider (mtb's). Last year, he met a woman and she was a strict vegan, so naturally, he jumped on the bandwagon. With no other changes to his riding or lifestyle, he definitely does not have the same strength and stamina we know him to be capable of. So much so, he gets dropped a lot and hence why he seldom rides with us.
I am not saying it is his diet, but I am at a loss as to what else it can be. I would do some serious research before trying any diet.
I am not saying it is his diet, but I am at a loss as to what else it can be. I would do some serious research before trying any diet.
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A guy that rides with us sometimes used to be a very strong rider (mtb's). Last year, he met a woman and she was a strict vegan, so naturally, he jumped on the bandwagon. With no other changes to his riding or lifestyle, he definitely does not have the same strength and stamina we know him to be capable of. So much so, he gets dropped a lot and hence why he seldom rides with us.
I am not saying it is his diet, but I am at a loss as to what else it can be. I would do some serious research before trying any diet.
I am not saying it is his diet, but I am at a loss as to what else it can be. I would do some serious research before trying any diet.
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The beginning of our becoming "civilized" was when we began to cook our food. Even apes prefer cooked food. The reason is very simple: cooking vastly increases the availability of nutrients in our food. Thus we need to eat less and need to spend less time foraging. Not only vegans sometimes eat raw, there's also a raw-meat-only fad diet. Its adherents also trumpet their incredible success. Both can't be right, can they?
Vegan works for those who exercise enough to eat enough to get sufficient nutrients, especially protein, from their diet. Hence the above mix of negative and positive comments. Pretty easy to get skinny fat on a vegan diet. I don't know what the break-even point is. Maybe 5000 calories/day? One would have to do a nutritional analysis of one's proposed diet and see what the vitamin B12 and protein content would be. ~1.5g protein per kilo bodyweight is about right for cyclists.
As a lacto-ovo vegetarian, I use sublingual B12, which vegans should also use.
Vegan works for those who exercise enough to eat enough to get sufficient nutrients, especially protein, from their diet. Hence the above mix of negative and positive comments. Pretty easy to get skinny fat on a vegan diet. I don't know what the break-even point is. Maybe 5000 calories/day? One would have to do a nutritional analysis of one's proposed diet and see what the vitamin B12 and protein content would be. ~1.5g protein per kilo bodyweight is about right for cyclists.
As a lacto-ovo vegetarian, I use sublingual B12, which vegans should also use.
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If you saw his girl, you would say that this was the case, and I hope that is what his problem is, too much lovin' and not enough protein. She is a cutie pie and he is, um well..... one of us, lol
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The beginning of our becoming "civilized" was when we began to cook our food. Even apes prefer cooked food. The reason is very simple: cooking vastly increases the availability of nutrients in our food. Thus we need to eat less and need to spend less time foraging. Not only vegans sometimes eat raw, there's also a raw-meat-only fad diet. Its adherents also trumpet their incredible success. Both can't be right, can they?
Vegan works for those who exercise enough to eat enough to get sufficient nutrients, especially protein, from their diet. Hence the above mix of negative and positive comments. Pretty easy to get skinny fat on a vegan diet. I don't know what the break-even point is. Maybe 5000 calories/day? One would have to do a nutritional analysis of one's proposed diet and see what the vitamin B12 and protein content would be. ~1.5g protein per kilo bodyweight is about right for cyclists.
As a lacto-ovo vegetarian, I use sublingual B12, which vegans should also use.
Vegan works for those who exercise enough to eat enough to get sufficient nutrients, especially protein, from their diet. Hence the above mix of negative and positive comments. Pretty easy to get skinny fat on a vegan diet. I don't know what the break-even point is. Maybe 5000 calories/day? One would have to do a nutritional analysis of one's proposed diet and see what the vitamin B12 and protein content would be. ~1.5g protein per kilo bodyweight is about right for cyclists.
As a lacto-ovo vegetarian, I use sublingual B12, which vegans should also use.
I'm guessing you've done a lot more research on these topics than I have, but am trying to improve my eating/nutrition. I was to the point in my riding that I seemed to have peaked & just couldn't improve given the time limitations I have - 10hrs/week. So I read up and started eating one raw, vegan meal a day. I've noticed a slight improvement in my cycling & seem to feel a little better in general. I also started supplementing my diet with a protein mix - never used that before in my life. However, I'm starting to think that the raw aspect isn't where my benefit is coming from. I'm thinking the benefit is coming from the raw, vegan meal being more healthy than what I was previously eating. Any thoughts?
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I'm guessing you've done a lot more research on these topics than I have, but am trying to improve my eating/nutrition. I was to the point in my riding that I seemed to have peaked & just couldn't improve given the time limitations I have - 10hrs/week. So I read up and started eating one raw, vegan meal a day. I've noticed a slight improvement in my cycling & seem to feel a little better in general. I also started supplementing my diet with a protein mix - never used that before in my life. However, I'm starting to think that the raw aspect isn't where my benefit is coming from. I'm thinking the benefit is coming from the raw, vegan meal being more healthy than what I was previously eating. Any thoughts?
Looking at it a little finer, natural foods are generally better for you off the bike. On the bike eat anything you want except for fat. Think organic chicken backs instead of steak. Think wild-caught fish instead of fish sticks. Think brown rice, pasta, yams, potatoes with the skin. Broccoli. Spinach. Even cabbage. 1/2 your plate vegetables, 1/4 starch, 1/4 protein. Starch the size of your fist. Protein the size of your palm. More meals better than fewer meals. Some people have a protein shake and then a couple hours later a real meal. The couple hours might be a bike ride or a meeting or a commute.
There are a zillion ways to do it, but the above is very common.
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I've already eliminated most processed foods from my life and I have found myself consuming more and more fresh fruits and veggies. I really only eat one *real* meal a day (family dinner) and even then its a cooked veggie or sweet potato. Otherwise I snack all day on fruit, veggies, nuts, etc.
A distance runner friend is 100% vegan. He swears by the "30-bananas/day" lifestyle. He challenged me to try 100% raw for two weeks. I have gone for a few days straight before but stopped because the gas, cramps and bloating were too much. Is this normal? Does it go away? I read that if I do eat something cooked, it should be the last thing I eat for the day.
A distance runner friend is 100% vegan. He swears by the "30-bananas/day" lifestyle. He challenged me to try 100% raw for two weeks. I have gone for a few days straight before but stopped because the gas, cramps and bloating were too much. Is this normal? Does it go away? I read that if I do eat something cooked, it should be the last thing I eat for the day.
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While my diet leans a little bit in the direction of vegetarianism, the last thing in the world I'd want to do is to cut out whole food groups.
I only eliminate foods I'm allergic/intolerant to ... and foods I don't like.
I only eliminate foods I'm allergic/intolerant to ... and foods I don't like.
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Moderation of any food is important, not just what foods we eat. Eat until you feel satisfied and enjoy a variety of foods that you enjoy but refrain form overindulgence.
Vegan just seems unnatural to me but if it works for some people, I'm happy for them.
Vegan just seems unnatural to me but if it works for some people, I'm happy for them.
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A guy that rides with us sometimes used to be a very strong rider (mtb's). Last year, he met a woman and she was a strict vegan, so naturally, he jumped on the bandwagon. With no other changes to his riding or lifestyle, he definitely does not have the same strength and stamina we know him to be capable of. So much so, he gets dropped a lot and hence why he seldom rides with us.
I am not saying it is his diet, but I am at a loss as to what else it can be. I would do some serious research before trying any diet.
I am not saying it is his diet, but I am at a loss as to what else it can be. I would do some serious research before trying any diet.

Veganism can fuel athletic excellence; the lady who holds the fastest known times on the PCT and AT set her record as a vegan. To put that into perspective, she hiked an average of 45 miles per day with a mile or more of elevation gain (per day!) for months at a time, on a vegan diet. Nobody in here has ever done anything like that nor ever will.
But veganism isn't necessary for athletic performance. Carbs are, but eating carbs doesn't mean you can't also enjoy cheese.
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That story is as old as time, and it's not the apples and oranges. 
Veganism can fuel athletic excellence; the lady who holds the fastest known times on the PCT and AT set her record as a vegan. To put that into perspective, she hiked an average of 45 miles per day with a mile or more of elevation gain (per day!) for months at a time, on a vegan diet. Nobody in here has ever done anything like that nor ever will.
But veganism isn't necessary for athletic performance. Carbs are, but eating carbs doesn't mean you can't also enjoy cheese.

Veganism can fuel athletic excellence; the lady who holds the fastest known times on the PCT and AT set her record as a vegan. To put that into perspective, she hiked an average of 45 miles per day with a mile or more of elevation gain (per day!) for months at a time, on a vegan diet. Nobody in here has ever done anything like that nor ever will.
But veganism isn't necessary for athletic performance. Carbs are, but eating carbs doesn't mean you can't also enjoy cheese.
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