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Old 08-14-11, 10:14 PM
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Infinite hunger

I am always hungry.
Fairly sure I've managed to somehow shut off whatever it is that tells your brain you're full. I'm 5'9, 150 pounds and I eat 2400-4000 calories a day WHEN I WATCH WHAT I EAT.

That's how much I'll eat of things like oatmeal, skim milk, chicken breast, vegetables and legumes. If I was eating bread, candy, cheese and cake I'd probably blow into the 4500-6000 range without breaking a sweat.

Basically, if I eat until I'm full, I eat FAR too much. I do about 9 hours of bike per week, probably expending 6000-8000 calories doing that... When winter comes, I will be SO BONED. This is my first year of actually trying to eat well instead of just cutting calories to keep my weight down so I'm trying to eat at least 5 times a day and it's driving me INSANE because there was a time where I'd eat like once or twice a day.

None of the meals I eat now even come CLOSE to being filling.
Anyone stuck with that problem?

Do you easily manage your weight or does it feel like every single day is a battle against your stomach?
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See an endocrinologist: It is possible that your body is overproducing ghrelin, which directly causes hunger. I am not a doctor, or any kind of medical professional. In fact, my advice is worth LESS than what you paid for it, and you should probably see a medical professional just for having read what I typed.
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the amount of my caloric intake changes from day to day. I don't eat the same calories everyday because I am doing different things everyday.

More protein? seeing a doctor would be a good idea too...that is if they are helpful at all. Do some research online.
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I would see a dietitian first.

One of the things I've learned is that I have often been better served by going to some "lesser" specialist first, rather than going to a physician. Physicians know more in the broad sense but often times will have you going through all sorts of tests and things, taking you down who knows what kind of tortuous path only to end up with some simple solution in the end. People who have "lesser" educations generally have more knowledge about their specific little area of expertise than a physician will.

So what I am suggesting is ruling out diet problems with someone who is a diet expert. If that doesn't do it, then by all means go see a medical doctor.
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I hadn't even thought of going to a doctor!
Say, anyone know if I could get a kind of all-in-one deal where a doctor checks my blood for nutrients / hormones and all that as well? Kind of curious if I'm missing something in my diet too.

I eat around 150-180 grams of protein per day so I don't think that's the problem at least...

And while we're at it: Is it better to eat more on ride days and less on rest days or would it just be better to spread it out evenly?
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I agree about seeing a doctor. I would get bouts of insane hunger until I was diagnosed with hypoglycemia in my early twenties and learned to avoid triggering large blood sugar spikes. A couple of old diet tricks to feel more satiated at a meal are to drink a large glass of water, just prior to the meal and include high fiber fruits and vegetables. Fiber gives a feeling of fullness and slows the absorption of carbohydrates.
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you're not eating enough protein
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Originally Posted by poxpower
I hadn't even thought of going to a doctor!
Say, anyone know if I could get a kind of all-in-one deal where a doctor checks my blood for nutrients / hormones and all that as well? Kind of curious if I'm missing something in my diet too.

I eat around 150-180 grams of protein per day so I don't think that's the problem at least...

And while we're at it: Is it better to eat more on ride days and less on rest days or would it just be better to spread it out evenly?
that would be an endocrinologist, I believe. If you go to your primary physician they'll send you to the phlebotomist get your blood taken and then figure it out from there. Maybe you can find an endocrinologist or a dietitian/nutritionist and ask your doctor to refer you instead.

I eat how I feel and I think it's okay to eat sweets. I also don't follow a strict diet and maybe you should up your protein....even if you do eat 150-180g a day. like I said, I'm doing different activities everyday - i help my parents with yard work so maybe that day I'll eat more.

hah, sorry if my post is not very helpful.
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Low protein? Looks to me like he has too little fat in his diet. Having some good fat in your meals will make you feel fuller.
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Do you have any idea what your body fat % is? Maybe you're below your ideal weight.
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Old 08-15-11, 08:28 PM
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hunger and thirst triggers are similar in your brain. I dare anyone in America to find that they are deficient in protein.
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Originally Posted by gregf83
Do you have any idea what your body fat % is? Maybe you're below your ideal weight.
It's around 6-7% right now.
How do you find your "ideal" weight?
I used to weight 220 ( 150 now). At every point between 220 and now, I've been insanely hungry all the time. In fact, no wonder I got that fat in the first place. No amount of any food is enough.

Seems the best I can do is lessen my hunger by like 30% by eating lots of vegetables and drinking and whatnot but... still drives me nuts. Being hungry 24/7 is pretty annoying.
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Originally Posted by poxpower
It's around 6-7% right now. . . .
That's probably inaccurate. That would be way, way, way too low.

Go gorge for a while if you are really at 7%.
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Originally Posted by poxpower
It's around 6-7% right now.
How do you find your "ideal" weight?
I don't know what your ideal weight is but I think everyone would have trouble staying at 6-7%BF. How did you measure that?
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Originally Posted by poxpower
It's around 6-7% right now.
How do you find your "ideal" weight?
I used to weight 220 ( 150 now). At every point between 220 and now, I've been insanely hungry all the time. In fact, no wonder I got that fat in the first place. No amount of any food is enough.
what? 6-7% body fat????
How tall are you?
you can google ideal weight calculator/chart. it'll just give an estimate.
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Old 08-16-11, 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by gregf83
I don't know what your ideal weight is but I think everyone would have trouble staying at 6-7%BF. How did you measure that?
I'm 5'9, 150.
I have body fat calipers and I use this site:https://www.scoobysworkshop.com/bodyfatCalculator.htm
I've been tracking it for months now, quite sure it's accurate to within 1-2% probably.

I just calculated the approximate ratio of macro nutrients in something I'd normally make and it is way lower in fats than it should:
7810calorirs, 52.5/351fat 768/487protein 1078 /780carbs
( ok usually I'd have more fat than this, but maybe 3x more at best )



Trying to hit a 40% carb, 25% protein, 35% fat deal here with the calories. All I'd cared about so far were proteins vs calories, i.e. trying to divide 25-30g protein into low calorie meals.

So we'll see how it goes this time! I'll add avocados, nuts, olive oil, salmon and ground flax seed. Turns out meals consisting mostly of chicken breast, baked beans and vegetables are low in fats!


I'll write the recipe here if anyone is interested. No idea who's enough of a nutritional nazi to actually calculate all this nonsense regularly. I did notice that Joel Friel mentions Paretto's law in his cycling book ( 80-20, i.e. if 80% of your nutrition is flawless and 20% is crap, you'll be fine ) but that's not really a "law" so much as it's nonsensical confirmation bias : O
I'm fairly certain it doesn't carry over to engineering and quantum physics haha.


Well at least I'll have this much covered and can report back on whether or not it makes a difference.

I tried a healthy weight calculator and it says I should weight 152 pounds. I weighed myself in this morning at 151.6 haha. I fluctuate around 149-153. But that number seems entirely meaningless. What if I gained 10 pounds of muscle? What if I lost 5 pounds of muscle but gained 5 of fat?
Then it just gives a range that's basically the same as the BMI nonsense.
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never been a fan of scales because they don't measure/weigh everything.
maybe you should try finding a place that has a bodpod....like a local college?
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ok I just made a giant batch of 24% protein, 36% carbs and 40% fat (calories from) sludge and I gotta say it IS a lot more filling. Plus I made it spicy enough that it slows me down. Sadly I was too heavy-handed on the olive oil so... has too much fat, but it's all good: avocado, flax seed, virgin olive oil and almonds.

I guess I never thought of vegetables / fruits being mostly carb sources before. They say that their fiber content fills you up but then they also say that carbs don't fill you at all and you can eat a ton of it without stopping. Kind of contradictory. I've found that cooked vegetables are absolutely not filling in the least while raw vegetables are so long to eat and chew ( and gross ) that they'll keep you from over-eating despite your best efforts... But ... yuck...

I'll give the fat thing a couple days of trial, see how that works out for my hunger. Thanks for the tip guys
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Forget about seeing a doctor! A doctor is trained to get you hooked on a drug that you will need to take for the rest of your life. Don't even go there. Doctor's are relatively good for knowing a skill - say for instance stitching a wound or treating a broken bone, but for matters like this you've got to help yourself or you'll just end up worse off.

Now. Let's think about this.... You're hungry all the time so you eat to much. Let me ask this:- If you are on the way to work and you see a very desirable woman, do you grab her and attempt coitus? I assume the answer is "no". Therefore, it's a matter of self control. So, get a grip and stop stuffing yourself man.
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Originally Posted by 009jim
Forget about seeing a doctor! A doctor is trained to get you hooked on a drug that you will need to take for the rest of your life. Don't even go there. . . . .
I agree (mostly). This does not sound like a doctor problem.

Get thee to a registered dietitian: https://www.eatright.org/programs/rdfinder/
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Ok after like 2 weeks of eating my higher fat sludge, I have to say it does NOTHING whatsoever for me. I still eat 3000-4000 calories per day easy.
I'll go back to my previous low-fat type food I guess. Do I really need more fat if I'm doing more exercise? If I wasn't doing anything, I'd need 2000 calories a day, surely I don't suddenly need twice the nutrients if I eat twice as many calories, or else I'd be in trouble at 2000.

I dunno. At what point can I just eat something as fuel without the need to have this 35/25/40 type ratio. I'm much better with higher protein and higher carbs than higher fats. Higher fats just makes me eat more calories, that's all it does. As long as I get a minimal amount, I should be fine, right?
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God, atleast im not the only one with this issue.


Originally Posted by 009jim
Now. Let's think about this.... You're hungry all the time so you eat to much. Let me ask this:- If you are on the way to work and you see a very desirable woman, do you grab her and attempt coitus? I assume the answer is "no". Therefore, it's a matter of self control. So, get a grip and stop stuffing yourself man.
You have no idea how insulting this sort of attitude is. Is there an element of self-control? Yes. But until you experience this literally months on end, exercising control months on end, when you wake up thinking about it, go to sleep thinking about it, dream about it and live it every moment of your life there is a limit to self control. I know that is my experience talking atleast, can't say anything for the OP, maybe its the same for him but it is never easy.

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