Lecterman

No kidding. I appreciate your attempt to be holier than thou and tell us all how we should eat, but vegans like me can do without your meat, eggs, and dairy.

sfontain

You must be an expert. Especially considering you can't even spell the word.

alison_in_oh

Good timing, as I'm on an "eating clean" kick. I'm hardly riding (which is why I'm away from the boards!), so I'm also watching calories to a certain extent. Unlike appel's, I do NOT advocate this as the ONLY grocery list. But it's enough for me, personally, to eat a varied diet for a few weeks and not get bored or get in a nutritional rut!

Protein foods
* Lentils
* Chick peas
* Pinto beans
* Black beans
* Tofu
* Cottage cheese
* Eggs
* Salmon (wild-caught Alaskan)
* Mackerel

Whole grains
* Brown rice
* Bulgur
* Oats
* Multigrain cereal (think it's got wheat, buckwheat, oats, corn, flax)
* Whole grain bread (my fave has soy and flax)
* Barley
* Popcorn

Other starch
* Pasta (pref. whole wheat but I usually buy the regular stuff)
* Couscous (ditto)
* Little red potatoes
* Sweet potatoes
* Crackers (esp. gluten-free)
* Pita

Produce
* Whatever's local, in season, and organic
* Whatever's local and in season
* Whatever's local and hothouse grown
* Whatever's organic
* Whatever looks good and fresh
* (Winners are usually zucchini, yellow squash, leafy greens, eggplant, winter squash, bell peppers, onions, tomatoes, broccoli, carrots, sweet corn, cabbage, red leaf lettuce, cucumber, apples, organic strawberries, other berries, pears, watermelon, etc.)

Condiments and extras
* Vegetarian boullion
* Soy sauce
* Coconut milk
* Spices (curry powder, garam masala, basil, marjoram, thyme, garlic powder, ginger powder, rosemary, cumin, turmeric, cayenne, red pepper flakes, salt and pepper would carry me a long way)
* Soy milk
* Bread yeast
* Pasta sauce (incl. homemade pesto and red sauce)
* Dried fruit (craisins and raisins)
* Nuts (usually walnuts, also mixed nuts or almonds)
* Peanut butter
* Jam
* Baking supplies (baking soda/powder, vanilla, etc.)
* Nutritional yeast
* Butter

Um...all I can think of off the top of my head right now. And now I'm hungry! But I have to lift weights before I go home to have my popcorn with nutritional yeast and butter, and my rice heated in sweet coconut milk to make "pudding", and my baked tofu!

noisebeam

Huh?

Al

Sendy

Walden Farms makes a very delicous maple syrup. They make a lot of good stuff. https://www.waldenfarms.com/

Sendy

Sooner Rider

[QUOTE=appel]I notice that many of you make humour out of this, too bad.

Jeez! I live in the REAL WORLD where humor exists along with red wine, M&Ms and a Krispy Kreme every month or so. If I come up short while striving to meet your standard, I'm banished to the leper colony?

If you want more money, take on three more jobs, coerce your wife into prostitution, sell your house and live under a bridge, sell your sell your car and hitchhike, borrow as much from your family & friends as you can without the intent of repaying them, steal from your employer, jack a 7-Eleven...

This is about cycling, getting in better shape and being pleased with the results, not training for the Tour or signing up for the Bataan death march.

Lighten up.

BTW - It really was a great grocery list - thank you. Now where did I put those Ding Dongs?

Eatadonut

Stolen, and modified for the college student living on a budget who isn't at all vegan and considers vegetarianism to be only a few rungs above necrophilia on the moral ladder.

Protein foods
* Chicken - it's cheap, it's easy to cook, it's tasty, it's healthy.
* Ground beef - throw it on the george foreman, watch the fat melt away! sure red meat causes cancer, but a hamburger is worth it.
* Pinto beans
* Black beans (refried bean sandwiches - cheap AND proteinfull!)
* Cottage cheese (large curd. Small curd causes cancer, it's science.)
* Eggs - just don't cook em like mom, when she would pour the boiling bacon grease over 'em. mmm...
* Salmon (not farmed, if possible. In oklahoma, you don't have a choice )
* Tuna - mackerel is expensive. tuna's cheaper, but no more than 16oz a week due to mercury.
* Peanut Butter - it's got the good fats in it, too!

Whole grains
* Brown rice - even better than white rice!
* Oats - homemade muesli replica is tasty breakfast fodder
* honey nut cheerios - it says it's good for you, and that bee is so friendly!
* Whole grain bread, if you can't stand it go for wheat, or a good dark rye. just not white.
* Popcorn - take it easy on the butter and salt.

Other starch
* Pasta - 6lbs of pasta is less than $4 at sam's club. 6 lbs of penne will feed you for a week of midterms.
* Little red potatos - the brown ones taste dirty, and the red ones are bite-sized and snack-ready.
* Sweet potatoes - lay off the marshmallows.
* Crackers - the little crunchy wheat ones taste excellent, I don't remember what they're called.
* Pita - it's like a tortilla, but so much better!

Produce - I'll just leave this section, she's got it covered.
* Whatever's local, in season, and organic
* Whatever's local and in season
* Whatever's local and hothouse grown
* Whatever's organic
* Whatever looks good and fresh
* (Winners are usually zucchini, yellow squash, leafy greens, eggplant, winter squash, bell peppers, onions, tomatoes, broccoli, carrots, sweet corn, cabbage, red leaf lettuce, cucumber, apples, organic strawberries, other berries, pears, watermelon, etc.)

Condiments and extras
* BEEF boullion
* Soy sauce/Teriyaki sauce
* Whole milk...or 1% at the least. Don't punish yourself by drinking skim or soy, it's not worth it.
* Spices (fresh garlic, cayenne, salt and pepper, lemon juice, cinnamon)
* Bread yeast - don't lie to yourself, it's for making beer in your dormroom.
* Pasta sauce
* Nuts - peanuts are cheap and fill the void left by your craving for cashews.
* Jam - jelly is for posers. Get the stuff with bits of fruit left in it.
* There's a butter substitute spread out there that's basically vegetable oil and something. It's less bad than real butter, and tastes almost the same. Easy to spread too. Less than a dollar for a tub of it at walmart.


All of these things I would consider reasonable for a spendthrift college student who enjoys eating, and doesn't have any pretentions of being a stereotypical "healthy eater". I keep my pantry and fridge stocked with all of these items for less than $100/month.

alison_in_oh

I find that marginally amusing, perhaps because I'm not vegetarian -- though I seem to be accidentally vegan this month.

I'm of childbearing age, so I'm not keen on any tuna right now. How is mackerel expensive, I've never paid more than $1.15 for a 12 oz can!

If you're gonna drink cow milk, feel free to go whole hog (in moderation of course!) I make my homemade yogurt from 2%. But I can't drink the stuff straight, never have. Full-fat soy tastes nearly as rich, and doesn't upset my tummy either. More importantly, it doesn't give my husband the stinky death-toots (don't tell him I said that!)

Psst...beer yeast works better for that. No, really. Oh, and for a quick treat, toss some champagne yeast into a gallon of apple cider. Put an airlock onnit and wait a week. Sparkling hard cider, yum yum!

Just make sure it's trans-fat free. For a few years now we've gone for Olivio, which is olive oil and some whey and a very tiny bit of hydrogenated oil that it claims adds only trace trans fat. Very yummy and spreadable. We still keep butter on hand for baking.

toomanybikes

Sugar Free Maple Syrup is NOT Maple Syrup!!

It be artificially Maple flavoured syrupy stuff, but it is NOT Maple Syrup.

Wind 'N Snow

All the processed stuff "suger free", "low fat", diet - even low salt or sodium reduced is suspect. If you follow the clean living edict, anything that you can't make in your own kitchen - with ingredients, of course - shouldn't realy be going into your mouth..

You can make pie, ketchup, bread, pasta, pot roast...everything in moderation. Even the "evil things" like sugar and salt.

Where's the soy based things? What if, for whatever reason, you don't eat red meat?

Are pinto, and navy beans going to be your orly protein? This list is a good start, but is missing 60 percent of what is needed to make eating interesting.

And spinach pasta...Unless you make it yourself or it is a really specialized product, chances are all the spinach does is add colour...you may as well just pour food dye into the water.

Dwayne

This is actually why I had to stop drinking milk. Give me two glasses of skim milk, and I'll provide you with enough fuel to launch a rocket-powered vehicle of your choosing to the moon. Five glasses will get you to Mars.

Same thing with cheese, yogurt, dairy in general. If I have a hankering for any of it, I eat it either a) a few hours before I go to bed, or b) a few hours before I head out for a ride, that way it's like an afterburner (mental note: install a lighter or spark plug aft of my seat for this idea). It's a good thing I like soy milk (the best tasting one I've found is the Silk stuff).

Wind 'N Snow

Ever try goat? Once you've had goat, you never....I mean....Actually I like So Nice and So Good - both like Silk, but, better tasting, IMO.

Eatadonut

16 oz of tuna - .69 the little things add up!

Yes, i feel for those of you who are even marginally lactose intolerant. Luckily, I'm one of those freaks who has no problem consuming gallons of it. Well, except when I meet the scale afterwards.

It's a learning experience. We have some lemon "beer" in the fridge made from bread yeast...it's just plain not good. We DO have some hard cider that's quite tasty, though the sparkling bit would add a new twist to it!

pretty sure it is - just wish I could remember what it's called!

Dwayne

I'll check next time I go buy groceries. The nice thing about soy milk is it's not much more expensive than regular milk, but I'll try goat milk, too, why not.

Wind 'N Snow

It's a little gamey, not my favorite really, but if you have lactose issues, Goat is the way to go.

DannoXYZ 

Get the whole goat, they're pretty tasty.

San Rensho 

The list includes most of the foods of a mediterranean diet, the food eaten by people in Spain, France, Ital, Greece, parts of the middle east etc. The diet emphasizes fruits, vegetables, olive oil, rice, pasta and generally less red meat than americans but more fish and cheese. They put an emphasis on fresh, home grown products.

In general, mediterraneans are some of the healthiest populations around, at least much healthier than americans. Their rates of heart disease and obesity are much lower than americans. Now, if they would only quit smoking Gauloise and drinking wine for breakfast, lunch and dinner, they could get lung cancer and cirrhosis of the liver down!

I guess my point is, the diet recommended is good and its really easy to follow by just eating Italian, spanish, french or greek.

Powerful Pete

... and adding an occasional bit of red wine to the equation... and that way you do not even have to worry about cirrhosis (and we need smokers, good for the pension system and for tax collection).

alison_in_oh

Are you referring to the very first post in this thread, the one that stirred up all the controversy with 20 cuts of red meat mentioned and no non-meat alternatives?

San Rensho 

I'm referring to the first post.

alison_in_oh

OK, well maybe I just prefer the Crystal Light, mayonnaise, sugar free maple syrup free Mediterranean diet. The one that also has red meat as only an occasional addition rather than recommending that the fridge remain stocked at all times with "Extra Lean Ground Beef or Ground Round (92-96%), Venison, Buffalo,...,Ribeye Steaks or Roast, Top Round Steaks or Roast, Top Sirloin, Beef Tenderloin, Top Loin, Flank Steak, AND Eye of Round".

PS, this is an ancient thread and my memory is fuzzy but I am 99% sure that list is not the original -- methinks he made some mods, and some of them seem to have been in response to my objections, yay me!

San Rensho 

Yeah, there are a couple of questionable items. Bambi and ostrich are too cute for me to eat, and I don't like diet, low fat or artificially flavored anything. Its interesting, here all the rage in fad diets is low fat everything. Like low fat cheese (which tastes like plastic) In europe, different cheese makers argue in advertisements over whose cheese has the highest fat content.

But I digress. I was just pointing out that most of the stuff listed is pretty good. At least he didn't list Hungry Man tv dinners! And he missed Ben and Jerry's heath bar crunch which is of course a pillar of the mediterranean diet.

Wind 'N Snow

Wait a minute...Did I read that ostrich and bison are mediterannean fare? I've heard of buffalo wings so I guess they flew there from here, but I thought ostrich were flightless.

Of course I'm kidding and being an @ss.

Mediterranean food does have a healthy portion of game, local game, mind you, but also more subtle meats, such as sheep (lamb) and goat...and of course lots of legumes and fish.

It's a great way of eating, if you can remember to not put one cup of Olive oil on everything including your morning bread!

wardrake

Dark Chocolate Beer Pie.

/faint

Jarery

https://www.mediterrasian.com/

for a slight spin on mediteranian diet.