Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Training & Nutrition
Reload this Page >

Max HR Question

Search
Notices
Training & Nutrition Learn how to develop a training schedule that's good for you. What should you eat and drink on your ride? Learn everything you need to know about training and nutrition here.

Max HR Question

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 12-19-18 | 11:05 AM
  #1  
Succhia Ruota's Avatar
Thread Starter
in bagnomaria
 
Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 258
Likes: 27
From: Dunwoody, GA

Bikes: N+3 dependents

Max HR Question

Not sure if this has been asked before or if this is the right forum...

My max heart rate seems to exceed my "age-predicted" max by a substantial margin.

I'm 45 and using the standard method of 220 - age, my predicted max is 175 bpm.

Using another method found here (206.9 - (0.67 x age)), my predicted rate is 177 bpm.

I regularly peg my HR at 188 bpm during max efforts. That's +11-13 bpm over my "predicted" max...

What does this mean? Just a normal margin of error in the models, or something to raise an eyebrow at?
Succhia Ruota is offline  
Reply
Old 12-19-18 | 02:40 PM
  #2  
- Soli Deo Gloria -
 
Joined: Aug 2015
Posts: 14,779
Likes: 743
From: Northwest Georgia

Bikes: 2018 Rodriguez Custom Fixed Gear, 2017 Niner RLT 9 RDO, 2015 Bianchi Pista, 2002 Fuji Robaix

Max heart rate is determined by testing, not by formulas. Formulas can be wildly inaccurate for any given individual.

HRmax is really a useless number anyway. Training zones should be set based on Lactic Threshold, not max.

https://www.trainingpeaks.com/blog/j...setting-zones/

I did the 30 minute TT a few weeks ago myself.

By the way, I'm in West Cobb. Where do you ride? Check my signature.


-Tim-
TimothyH is offline  
Reply
Old 12-19-18 | 02:54 PM
  #3  
Doge's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Anniversary
 
Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 10,588
Likes: 427
From: Southern California, USA

Bikes: 1979 Raleigh Team 753

People vary. That is a little high, but not a whole bunch. I'm 58 and can hit high 170s. It is easier when out of shape.

Comments below on fitness as I think that is what you are getting at, or ignore below.
Most heart stuff is personal vs power stuff that is an external standard. I tend to like heart stuff better and find myself in a minority.

Range - resting to peak may be a tell of how fit you are. Certainly, if you can see it increase between resting and peak, you are likely fitter [than YOU were].

Time to normal. This is a huge indicator of fitness. It is the time it takes to go from high (peak or max effort) to normal effort. A fit rider will drop faster.

Interval variance - if doing longer (an hour) of interval type work the peak to "normal" will go down. What was 90-175 is now 100-165. The fitter rider takes longer for that to happen. Measure against yourself a few months apart.

Rest indicators.
Warm-up max HR - This is how hard it is to hit you near max. This is an indicator of how rested (over several days) you are. If rested, you can hit a higher number more easily than not.

Morning resting HR - This is the primary thing kid's coach used. Like the above it is a great way to show fatigue, fighting sickness. Lower (duh) is better. If elevated, think about skipping the intensity. You may end up stronger on the other side than if you worked out harder.

Total blood flow matters, but not as much as what is in the blood. Some blood carries more O2 than others. That is not always better for the general living but helps the riding.
Doge is offline  
Reply
Old 12-19-18 | 03:10 PM
  #4  
Senior Member
 
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 4,764
Likes: 235
As others mentioned, formulas are trends not rules. I'm 35 and my max is 210bpm, and my LTHR is 193. Both higher than my calculated max
redlude97 is offline  
Reply
Old 12-19-18 | 03:37 PM
  #5  
wphamilton's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 15,278
Likes: 342
From: Alpharetta, GA

Bikes: Nashbar Road

I'm 59 and I see 165 during aerobic efforts, both cycling and running, and over 180 frequently when running harder but not maximum effort.

Nothing to raise an eyebrow at.
wphamilton is offline  
Reply
Old 12-19-18 | 06:05 PM
  #6  
Succhia Ruota's Avatar
Thread Starter
in bagnomaria
 
Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 258
Likes: 27
From: Dunwoody, GA

Bikes: N+3 dependents

Originally Posted by TimothyH
Max heart rate is determined by testing, not by formulas. Formulas can be wildly inaccurate for any given individual.

HRmax is really a useless number anyway. Training zones should be set based on Lactic Threshold, not max.

https://www.trainingpeaks.com/blog/j...setting-zones/

I did the 30 minute TT a few weeks ago myself.

By the way, I'm in West Cobb. Where do you ride? Check my signature.

-Tim-
Thanks for the link - a useful read.

I'm just over the Woodstock line on 92 near Mountain Park and regularly ride in Roswell. We probably know some of the same people.
Succhia Ruota is offline  
Reply
Old 12-19-18 | 07:43 PM
  #7  
mackgoo's Avatar
Senior Member
5 Anniversary
 
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 785
Likes: 780
From: San Clemente

Bikes: 87 Bianchi X4, 95 Bianchi Ti Mega Tube, 06 Alan Carbon Cross X33, 74 Galmozzi Super Competizione, 64 Bianchi Specialissima.

Originally Posted by wphamilton
I'm 59 and I see 165 during aerobic efforts, both cycling and running, and over 180 frequently when running harder but not maximum effort.

Nothing to raise an eyebrow at.
That's a ditto for me.
mackgoo is offline  
Reply
Old 12-19-18 | 08:28 PM
  #8  
Newbie
20 Anniversary
 
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 13
Likes: 1
From: San Antonio
Analogy

Originally Posted by Succhia Ruota
My max heart rate seems to exceed my "age-predicted" max by a substantial margin.

I'm 45 and using the standard method of 220 - age, my predicted max is 175 bpm.

What does this mean? Just a normal margin of error in the models, or something to raise an eyebrow at?
Using 220 - your age as an accurate value for *an individual* is like saying: Since the average height of adult males in the US is 5'10", ALL adult males in the US are 5'10" tall. The absurdity is apparent!
Ken2 is offline  
Reply
Old 12-20-18 | 09:24 AM
  #9  
Succhia Ruota's Avatar
Thread Starter
in bagnomaria
 
Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 258
Likes: 27
From: Dunwoody, GA

Bikes: N+3 dependents

Thanks for the great responses everyone, I appreciate the insight -
Succhia Ruota is offline  
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
MAK
Training & Nutrition
13
07-24-12 10:57 PM
HMF
"The 33"-Road Bike Racing
11
05-22-12 10:05 PM
Arboleda
Training & Nutrition
3
04-11-12 03:23 PM
RippedUp
Road Cycling
18
01-01-11 06:25 PM
tallmantim
Training & Nutrition
9
05-09-10 10:39 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.