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Old 09-07-23, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by rumrunn6
lost another lb, 6, so far. so I guess I'm about 1lb pr week. I guess I should be encouraged. gotta reduce those days I go over my calorie limit ...! ;-(
1 lb/week is a very good and attainable goal if sustained over the long term. You read about people losing far more/week, but the more drastic it is, the less sustainable.
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Overheard on my group ride yesterday,

"____, you seem to have lost some weight"

"yeah, 20 lbs."

"Great, how did you do it?"

"Noom"
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Originally Posted by MinnMan
1 lb/week is a very good and attainable goal if sustained over the long term. You read about people losing far more/week, but the more drastic it is, the less sustainable.
thank you, yes, that's what I'm hoping for but it's sooooo sloooow ...
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Originally Posted by MinnMan
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funny. my goal is 196 (I started at 229), Noom says my goal should be 136 - 179. well, that's not gonna happen, my HS weight was 175. but they assure me in 6months I'll get there! um, nope

but I like that they highlight motivation. because you gotta have motivation!
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Originally Posted by rumrunn6
thank you, yes, that's what I'm hoping for but it's sooooo sloooow ...
You just have to be patient and consistent. It doesnít matter how long it takes if you intend to remain at a healthy weight for the rest of your life. Yo-yo diets are a waste of time.
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Originally Posted by rumrunn6
funny. my goal is 196 (I started at 229), Noom says my goal should be 136 - 179. well, that's not gonna happen, my HS weight was 175. but they assure me in 6months I'll get there! um, nope

but I like that they highlight motivation. because you gotta have motivation!
There is no reason why you canít get down to your HS weight. Your body composition will inevitably have a little less muscle and a bit more fat, but overall weight should be roughly the same. If you can lose 30 lbs, then you can lose another 20 lb. Itís all just excess fat at this weight.
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Originally Posted by rumrunn6
funny. my goal is 196 (I started at 229), Noom says my goal should be 136 - 179. well, that's not gonna happen, my HS weight was 175. but they assure me in 6months I'll get there! um, nope

but I like that they highlight motivation. because you gotta have motivation!
there's some sense to your expectations, and I wish you luck getting down to 196, but once you get there, you may feel differently about going lower.

One of the BIG challenges to losing weight and keeping it off is actually the keeping it off part. You get down to your target weight and you say, "OK, now I don't have to be quite as careful with my diet because I'm not trying to lose weight". But that's a slippery slope and figuring out the new diet that is weight neutral can be VERY hard. This is why people yo-yo. Have a plan for this.
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For many of us, "high school weight" is a pretty nice accomplishment. I guess now that more youth are overweight, this won't always mean to people what it means to most of us older folk.
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Originally Posted by MinnMan
there's some sense to your expectations, and I wish you luck getting down to 196, but once you get there, you may feel differently about going lower.

One of the BIG challenges to losing weight and keeping it off is actually the keeping it off part. You get down to your target weight and you say, "OK, now I don't have to be quite as careful with my diet because I'm not trying to lose weight". But that's a slippery slope and figuring out the new diet that is weight neutral can be VERY hard. This is why people yo-yo. Have a plan for this.
if I understood my nephew correctly, I stay with my calorie limit. it gets me to my goal weight & keeps me there. meaning, what I'm doing is not not temporary
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Originally Posted by PeteHski
There is no reason why you canít get down to your HS weight. Your body composition will inevitably have a little less muscle and a bit more fat, but overall weight should be roughly the same. If you can lose 30 lbs, then you can lose another 20 lb. Itís all just excess fat at this weight.
of course, but my goal was set by a personal trainer who met me, measured me, took a profile, etc
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Originally Posted by PeteHski
If you track calories in and track your weight and adjust calorie intake accordingly then you are more likely to hit your weight target. Knowing your calorie intake with reasonable accuracy is one less guess in the equation. Itís no different to tracking your weight as the output variable. The only reason people donít count calories is because it takes a little more effort (although modern tech makes that fairly easy). As a bonus, calorie counting also gives you valuable information about your macro and micro nutrient mix.
This is an example of part of the problem here. I speak for myself and what works for me. You are trying to tell me what works for me, but you don't know me. Maybe this works for you, but because it works for you it doesn't mean it will work the same for me or others.

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Originally Posted by MinnMan
For many of us, "high school weight" is a pretty nice accomplishment. I guess now that more youth are overweight, this won't always mean to people what it means to most of us older folk.
For me "high school weight" would be a problem, because I grew another inch or so after high school, so I'd be stretching the weight over more length.
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Originally Posted by rumrunn6
if I understood my nephew correctly, I stay with my calorie limit. it gets me to my goal weight & keeps me there. meaning, what I'm doing is not not temporary
Well, weight loss comes down to having a deficit of calories relative to what you burn. If you have a regimen that results in weight loss, your (intake-consumption) energy (calories) is a negative number. So I don't see how your weight loss diet and your weight maintenance diet can be the same, unless, say, you start exercising less.
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Originally Posted by hopperja
This is an example of part of the problem here. I speak for myself and what works for me. You are trying to tell me what works for me, but you don't know me. Maybe this works for you, but because it works for you it doesn't mean it will work the same for me or others.

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You know, I have seen many posts here that are of the flavor that you are describing, but I don't PeteHski 's falls into that category. Calorie counting is a helpful tool for many. You don't have to do it to lose weight, but that isn't the same as "doesn't mean it will work the same for me or others".

Shorter: I think you are being too harsh here.
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Originally Posted by MinnMan
Well, weight loss comes down to having a deficit of calories relative to what you burn. If you have a regimen that results in weight loss, your (intake-consumption) energy (calories) is a negative number. So I don't see how your weight loss diet and your weight maintenance diet can be the same, unless, say, you start exercising less.
at my current weight, it's a deficit
at my target weight it, will be maintenance
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Originally Posted by rumrunn6
at my current weight, it's a deficit
at my target weight it, will be maintenance
Yes, I see the point - as you lose weight, your daily homeostatic burn goes down.
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Originally Posted by hopperja
This is an example of part of the problem here. I speak for myself and what works for me. You are trying to tell me what works for me, but you don't know me. Maybe this works for you, but because it works for you it doesn't mean it will work the same for me or others.

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I'm not trying to tell you anything. I'm just saying that calorie counting is a bit like weighing yourself i.e. an objective, trackable metric. Whether it is helpful or not depends on what you do with the data. I happen to find calorie counting very useful when training to hit a specific target weight, in a specific timeframe. A lot of pro cyclists do it instead of guessing their calorie intake. I realise an objective approach is not for everyone.
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Originally Posted by PeteHski
I'm not trying to tell you anything. I'm just saying that calorie counting is a bit like weighing yourself i.e. an objective, trackable metric. Whether it is helpful or not depends on what you do with the data. I happen to find calorie counting very useful when training to hit a specific target weight, in a specific timeframe. A lot of pro cyclists do it instead of guessing their calorie intake. I realise an objective approach is not for everyone.

Eating intuitively has worked for me my whole life and not just me but many other people...I can easily loose weight or gain weight without counting a single calorie. I just know exactly how much to eat without keeping track of calories. Some days I eat more some days I eat less. Some days I may eat 2 - 3 meals per day and on other days I may eat 4 - 5 times per day. It all just balances out and works great for me, no need to keep track of any data.
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Originally Posted by wolfchild
i just know exactly how much to eat without keeping track of calories.
How can you eat an exact amount of food without measuring it in some way?
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Originally Posted by wolfchild
Eating intuitively has worked for me my whole life and not just me but many other people...
Well intuition works for me too, but calorie counting makes it more precise when I train for a specific event. As I said it is just data like knowing your weight. I could guess my weight too, but itís not as precise.
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Originally Posted by PeteHski
How can you eat an exact amount of food without measuring it in some way?
Is this even a serious question ?
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I'm blessed with good genes. I weigh regularly and adjust input accordingly even if it means skipping beer for a few days. I wish everyone the best of luck with whatever method they use to reach loss goals and maintain a healthy weight. We have an epidemic of obesity that raises health care costs for all of us.
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A reporter asked LA how he knew how many calories he was consuming. He said, "It's written on the side of the box!"
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Originally Posted by PeteHski
How can you eat an exact amount of food without measuring it in some way?
You take the word exact out of it's context and meaning....I didn't say I eat exactly the same amount of food at every meal every day....I said I just know exactly how much total food to eat every day. Some days it's less, some days it's more, the actual portion of food isn't always exactly the same. I just know what my body needs without having to keep track of any data.
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Originally Posted by wolfchild
You take the word exact out of it's context and meaning....I didn't say I eat exactly the same amount of food at every meal every day....I said I just know exactly how much total food to eat every day. Some days it's less, some days it's more, the actual portion of food isn't always exactly the same. I just know what my body needs without having to keep track of any data.
No, he took the word in the correct context. Exact means exact.

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