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Old 03-07-10 | 05:54 PM
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Because I need to supply a much greater force to the object I put into motion, bike, body, barbell, dumbells.
I need a lot of things. Weightlifting won't get them for me either.

And once again, you don't need to apply more force, you need to apply the force you already can, longer.
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Old 03-07-10 | 05:59 PM
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I need a lot of things. Weightlifting won't get them for me either.

And once again, you don't need to apply more force, you need to apply the force you already can, longer.
I do need to apply more force, I want to be faster. I need to train my brain to recruit more motor units or I'm going to stall.
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Old 03-07-10 | 06:04 PM
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I need a lot of things. Weightlifting won't get them for me either.

And once again, you don't need to apply more force, you need to apply the force you already can, longer.
You can't reason with a troll
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Old 03-07-10 | 06:08 PM
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You can't reason with a troll
It's just entertainment.
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Old 03-07-10 | 06:09 PM
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You can't reason with a troll
Where all trolls... I got my opinions, you got yours. You don't agree with mine, your a troll.

Your not right (or wrong).

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Old 03-07-10 | 06:09 PM
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It's just entertainment.
It is entertaining
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Old 03-07-10 | 06:11 PM
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I'm a troll. I just keep repeating the same nonsensical statements. I am incapable of rational thought or reasonable discussion
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Old 03-07-10 | 06:15 PM
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Where all trolls...
Under the bridge, of course.

Anyway, the explanations are back around the first ten pages or so of this thread should you care to educate yourself.
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Originally Posted by Sonicfish
Figure out where zone 2 is for you - train there for most of your training rides to build endurance.
Wouldn't I be building endurance in zones 3,4,5 & 6???...
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Old 03-07-10 | 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by asgelle
Under the bridge, of course.

Anyway, the explanations are back around the first ten pages or so of this thread should you care to educate yourself.
You haven't come back with anything?.

Did I win?
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Old 03-07-10 | 06:18 PM
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Wouldn't I be building endurance in zones 3,4,5 & 6???...
You've been arguing for 18 pages and you don't know? Why don't you tell us.
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You've been arguing for 18 pages and you don't know? Why don't you tell us.
I was just wandering?. I'm old skool & don't train with power meters, aren't my thing.
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Old 03-07-10 | 06:23 PM
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Reading, spelling, and grammar aren't your things either.
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Old 03-07-10 | 06:23 PM
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I was just wandering?. I'm old skool & don't train with power meters, aren't my thing.
Intensity and the physiological responses and adaptations don't depend on how you measure them or if you measure them at all. You ride a certain way, the body changes*. Either you know how the changes correlate with training or you don't.

*Some have said as precisely as a Swiss watch.
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Old 03-07-10 | 06:34 PM
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Intensity and the physiological responses and adaptations don't depend on how you measure them or if you measure them at all. You ride a certain way, the body changes*. Either you know how the changes correlate with training or you don't.

*Some have said as precisely as a Swiss watch.
OK. It was just that I was told to train in zone 2 to build endurance.


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Old 03-08-10 | 12:36 PM
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Can you explain that statement? I've never heard of there being any training that actually increases hematocrit. I've always heard that intensive training decreases hematocrit.
Athletes "used to take" EPO to increase hematocrit. That's what it does. It increases the number of red blood cells in the blood. The reason EPO usage was once hard to detect is because it is a natural chemical secreted by the kidneys. The stimulus to secrete EPO is oxygen debt or hypoxia. Which you can supply by sleeping in a low-oxygen environment like a hypoxic tent or high altitude, or doing anaerobic intervals. Here's a link:
https://www.dailypeloton.com/epo.asp
As you can read, it's a lot more complicated than just riding hard.

The relationship between intervals and hematocrit is complicated by the fact that intervals also increase blood volume, which decreases hematocrit, which is the concentration, not the number of red blood cells. Dehydration increases hematocrit. Be that as it may, it could be that it's the number of red blood cells, not the hematocrit, which is the best goal. And be that as it may, some pro teams have their riders sauna after a training session to increase hematocrit through dehydration. Which I don't get at all.
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You can't reason with a troll
Maybe not, but some sure can do a helluva job feeding 'em!
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Originally Posted by *****3nin.vend3t
Its well known in medical literature EPO raises dehydration further, hence a decrease in performance, which many riders have experienced over the years.

Some performance enhancer.

Far too much emphasis placed upon its shoulders as an holy grail to success. Not the case.
Trying to merge your trolling threads?
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Old 03-09-10 | 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by *****3nin.vend3t
Just speaking the truth of what medical literature states. If trolling is agreeing with the experts, then I'm sorry.
Trolling is misapplication of information and logic to present an incorrect or incomplete picture, for the purpose of "getting a rise" out of people. You think you are succeeding because you are getting a lot of responses, but we all just think you are stupid.
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Old 03-09-10 | 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by *****3nin.vend3t
Its just what I have read from figures & journals in the medical world that are far more knowledgeable than you. Sorry for listening to the experts. Don't shoot the messenger.
Your reading comprehension and logic skills have been proven to be severely lacking.
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Your reading comprehension and logic skills have been proven to be severely lacking.
Where just lacking in having similar opinions.

If know body plays to your tune, there probably a troll too.
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Old 03-09-10 | 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by *****3nin.vend3t
Where just lacking in having similar opinions.
You are lacking in being able to read something and understand what is said.

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If know body plays to your tune, there probably a troll too.
You are also lacking in being able to write a coherent sentence. Can I get a translator?
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Old 03-09-10 | 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by *****3nin.vend3t
Its just what I have read from figures & journals in the medical world that are far more knowledgeable than you. Sorry for listening to the experts. Don't shoot the messenger.
Please enlighten us with one citation from a peer reviewed journal confirming that EPO does not enhance performance.
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Its well known in medical literature EPO raises dehydration further, hence a decrease in performance, which many riders have experienced over the years.
All Californians are beautiful. All women are beautiful. Therefore all women are Californian.

All elephants are big. Some boys are big. Therefore some boys are elephants.

All fools act stupid. You acted stupid. Therefore you are a fool.
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All Californians are beautiful. All women are beautiful. Therefore all women are Californian.

All elephants are big. Some boys are big. Therefore some boys are elephants.

All fools act stupid. You acted stupid. Therefore you are a fool.
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