Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

Winter Cycling Don't let snow and ice discourage you this winter. The key element to year-round cycling is proper attire! Check out this winter cycling forum to chat with other ice bike fanatics.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 07-14-17, 04:52 PM   #1
1989Pre 
Standard Member
Thread Starter
 
1989Pre's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Brunswick, Maine
Bikes: 1963 F. H. Grubb Routier, 1983 F. Moser Sprint, 1989 Raleigh Technium, 2001 Raleigh M80
Posts: 2,672
Mentioned: 15 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 646 Post(s)
Winter utility Tires

I don't want to invest in studded tires, so I am researching 26" tires that will keep me (usually) upright on the snow, slush and ice this coming stormy season. I have a couple of questions: 1.) are the 2.35-2.4 width tires any more stable than 2.1 on these kinds of surfaces, and 2.) should I deflate my tires from the 60 psi I usually run my mtb tires at?
I actually just bought some 2.1" Hutchinson Toros, but that's cause I couldn't find the 2.4's in clincher.
__________________
The hills are why we come.
1989Pre is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-17, 12:58 AM   #2
dabac
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Bikes:
Posts: 7,262
Mentioned: 26 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 620 Post(s)
Wider tires offer more "float" on soft snow, but doesn't have (much) better grip on ice and hardpack.
dabac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-17, 12:17 PM   #3
Daniel4
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Toronto
Bikes:
Posts: 1,342
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 339 Post(s)
Consider chains in lieu of studs for ice.
Daniel4 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-17, 12:34 PM   #4
rumrunn6
Senior Member
 
rumrunn6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: 25 miles northwest of Boston
Bikes: Bottecchia Sprint
Posts: 18,145
Mentioned: 22 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1485 Post(s)
last winter, was riding a newly plowed paved bike trail. it was cold enough for snow AND ice. the plow didn't get everything. was really impressed with a guy on a mtb riding ahead of me. until he slipped an fell. my 1st winter I swore I would NOT get studded tires. that changed early one morning while descending a hill in traffic on a patch of black ice. I didn't go down but I turned right around & made it home safely. I wish you good luck without the studs, especially on wide tires
rumrunn6 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-17, 12:48 PM   #5
kingston 
Jedi Master
 
kingston's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Lake Forest, IL
Bikes: http://stinkston.blogspot.com/p/my-bikes.html
Posts: 1,716
Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 587 Post(s)
You don't want to invest $34 in winter tires?
kingston is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-17, 02:36 PM   #6
1989Pre 
Standard Member
Thread Starter
 
1989Pre's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Brunswick, Maine
Bikes: 1963 F. H. Grubb Routier, 1983 F. Moser Sprint, 1989 Raleigh Technium, 2001 Raleigh M80
Posts: 2,672
Mentioned: 15 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 646 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by dabac View Post
Wider tires offer more "float" on soft snow, but doesn't have (much) better grip on ice and hardpack.
What psi would you run 2.15's at for maximum traction?
__________________
The hills are why we come.
1989Pre is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-17, 02:37 PM   #7
1989Pre 
Standard Member
Thread Starter
 
1989Pre's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Brunswick, Maine
Bikes: 1963 F. H. Grubb Routier, 1983 F. Moser Sprint, 1989 Raleigh Technium, 2001 Raleigh M80
Posts: 2,672
Mentioned: 15 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 646 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel4 View Post
Consider chains in lieu of studs for ice.

Who sells chains?
__________________
The hills are why we come.
1989Pre is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-17, 02:37 PM   #8
1989Pre 
Standard Member
Thread Starter
 
1989Pre's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Brunswick, Maine
Bikes: 1963 F. H. Grubb Routier, 1983 F. Moser Sprint, 1989 Raleigh Technium, 2001 Raleigh M80
Posts: 2,672
Mentioned: 15 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 646 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by kingston View Post
You don't want to invest $34 in winter tires?

Wow! I thought all studded tires were about 100 dollars a pop.
__________________
The hills are why we come.
1989Pre is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-17, 06:09 PM   #9
Cigarguy
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Calgary, Alberta
Bikes:
Posts: 52
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 16 Post(s)
Most any non-slick tire will work pretty good on snow covered pavement. Nothing beat studs on hardpack and ice.
Cigarguy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-17, 07:28 PM   #10
Daniel4
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Toronto
Bikes:
Posts: 1,342
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 339 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1989Pre View Post
Who sells chains?
Try these or go to youtube and learn how to make them yourself.

https://www.slipnottraction.com
Daniel4 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-17, 03:53 AM   #11
dabac
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Bikes:
Posts: 7,262
Mentioned: 26 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 620 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1989Pre View Post
Wow! I thought all studded tires were about 100 dollars a pop.

Depends on what mileage you're hoping to get out of them, and your riding conditions.
Over here, the department stores still sell studded tires where the studs are regular construction steel.
They can still give OK mileage on all-snow/ice surfaces, but as little as 200 miles of mixed riding can render cheap studded tires effectively "toothless".


Good quality studded tires use studs with a Tungsten Carbide core. In these, it's near enough impossible to wear the studs out. The carcass might give out, and the studs get a bit blunter. But that's about it.


The SW is a decent but not great Winter tire. The tread pattern is fairly shallow and poorly self-clearing. They don't do well in mushy or soft snow.


And at a 100 stud count it'll save you from Bambi moments, but you still need to adapt your riding/braking considerably when traversing ice or hardpack.


Studs are good quality though. They are a good choice for casual riding on mixed tarmac/ice roads.
dabac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-17, 04:03 AM   #12
dabac
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Bikes:
Posts: 7,262
Mentioned: 26 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 620 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1989Pre View Post
What psi would you run 2.15's at for maximum traction?

I'm a fairly dedicated all-year commuter.
I rather lose a few known minutes due to poorer roll than losing unknown time to a fall.
So I use winter tires with high stud counts these days. 200-300 range.
PSI don't change traction on ice or hardpack much for me.



What'll happen a few days each season though is that we get thick layers of fairly thick, soft snow.
It's not only traction, it's more about tracking.


That happens, I'll either not ride those days, or if caught out, will lower the pressure until I begin to feel the rim bottoming out, add a few strokes of the pump, pray not to pinch flat and ride.


As this happens along the road I don't have an accurate idea of pressure, but at a guesstimate it's below 2 Bar. Maybe 1.2-1.5.
dabac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-17, 06:57 AM   #13
rumrunn6
Senior Member
 
rumrunn6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: 25 miles northwest of Boston
Bikes: Bottecchia Sprint
Posts: 18,145
Mentioned: 22 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1485 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1989Pre View Post
What psi would you run 2.15's at for maximum traction?
kinda depends on road or trail surface, conditions of the day (temp & precip) & also what's underneath the day's precip. obviously if it's just cold & no precip that's like now, you get a little rain on pavement it's a little different than rain on dirt making mud. you get sleet on top of wet mud, that's one thing. if that mud freezes hard & you get rain that's another thing. if you have dry conditions & get a cpl inches of fluffy powder that's another thing. you get a base layer of snow & ice & then get 2-6" of fresh wet gloppy snow that's another. dry pavement with fresh wet snow with road salt mixed it to make super slush that's whole different animal altogether. I'd start with close to max pressure. but air down the front cuz the rear takes more of your weight. then judge your weight, the road or trail, the conditions & fine tune your pressure from there. as an example, when I commuted through the winter using a 700c roadified hybrid with 35mm Marathon studded winter tires (on plowed roads) I maxed the pressure but then tapped the valves to soften them just a tad. I wanted the tires hard enough so the studs dug down to find whatever pavement they could. but soft enough to flex over irregularities (like frozen lumps under the snow & slush) to maintain contact & not rebound abruptly. with wider tires you'll just have to find what works best for you. I had an epic blizzard ride on an old MTB that took twice as long as it should have cuz I was riding thru 4-5" of fresh cold snow, with tires aired waaaay down & riding on grass & sidewalks that were not plowed or shoveled. major mistake for the 13 mile 1way trip. after turning around I aired up the tires as hard as I could with my hand pump (still well under max) & rode home on pavement through the plowed snow & slush another 13 miles & it took half as long as the 1st 13 miles

Last edited by rumrunn6; 07-20-17 at 11:24 AM.
rumrunn6 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-17, 10:45 AM   #14
2_i 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Michigan
Bikes: Trek 730, Bike Friday NWT, Brompton M6R*2, Trek 830, Trek 720, Dahon HAT060, Dahon HT060,...
Posts: 1,838
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 131 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1989Pre View Post
I don't want to invest in studded tires, so I am researching 26" tires that will keep me (usually) upright on the snow, slush and ice this coming stormy season.
From where I sit, you look like setting yourself up for failure. After I ripped a third or so set of clothes in falling on ice, I suddenly realized that an investment into studded tires was a cheap solution. It would have been so much cheaper if I bought them before ripping all the clothes and it would have been so much more comfortable without the involved aches and bruises.

After riding many winters I realize that I do not need to rely on the studded tires as much as at the beginning, but this is because the studded tires gave me the breathing room where I could hone my winter riding skills.
2_i is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-17, 11:21 AM   #15
rumrunn6
Senior Member
 
rumrunn6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: 25 miles northwest of Boston
Bikes: Bottecchia Sprint
Posts: 18,145
Mentioned: 22 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1485 Post(s)
& it's a drag to get a taste of ice, mount your studs, then get no ice for weeks. you're riding your studs on dry rds & feel like a fool. some ppl have 2 sets of wheels, or better yet, 2 bikes!
rumrunn6 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-17, 12:59 PM   #16
1989Pre 
Standard Member
Thread Starter
 
1989Pre's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Brunswick, Maine
Bikes: 1963 F. H. Grubb Routier, 1983 F. Moser Sprint, 1989 Raleigh Technium, 2001 Raleigh M80
Posts: 2,672
Mentioned: 15 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 646 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by dabac View Post
I'll either not ride those days, or if caught out, will lower the pressure until I begin to feel the rim bottoming out, add a few strokes of the pump, pray not to pinch flat and ride.As this happens along the road I don't have an accurate idea of pressure, but at a guesstimate it's below 2 Bar. Maybe 1.2-1.5.
That's probably the approach I'll take: Just be more discreet about when I take the bike out. I don't have far to go to work or the supermarket, which are .25 miles right downtown. I'll most likely walk it like I have been when its icy. My tire pressure max is 59 psi, so I'll drop it down to around 40 and see how that goes. You drop yours as low as 30, so maybe I'll check that out, too, and see if I feel more stable.
__________________
The hills are why we come.
1989Pre is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-24-17, 01:08 PM   #17
AlexanderLS
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Bikes:
Posts: 114
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 58 Post(s)
People who have tried 3" wide tires seem to say it makes no diff versus the 2" tires.

Studded tires are for ice/packed snow and the width for them is less important. Really aggressive treads tend to do a lot with studded tires, so if you decide to get studs, go for an aggressive tread too.
They are for road riding mostly. If you plan to ride on loose snow, you will need a dedicated fat bike. It's been awhile since I've seen slush but I'm pretty sure it would just move out of the way of your tires. Slush is mostly water if I recall right. You should defiantly make sure you have some fenders, you don't want to show up to places drenched in slush water.
AlexanderLS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-24-17, 01:15 PM   #18
bikemig 
Senior Member
 
bikemig's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Middle Earth (aka IA)
Bikes: A bunch of old bikes and a few new ones
Posts: 13,173
Mentioned: 59 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2638 Post(s)
Studded tires rock on snow and ice. Alternatively the continental winter contact ii tire is pretty good on snow and ice and very good as an all round tire.
bikemig is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-25-17, 09:02 PM   #19
elocs
Seņor Member
 
elocs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Hello Wisconsin!
Bikes: yes
Posts: 446
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 10 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1989Pre View Post
I don't want to invest in studded tires, so I am researching 26" tires that will keep me (usually) upright on the snow, slush and ice this coming stormy season. I have a couple of questions: 1.) are the 2.35-2.4 width tires any more stable than 2.1 on these kinds of surfaces, and 2.) should I deflate my tires from the 60 psi I usually run my mtb tires at?
I actually just bought some 2.1" Hutchinson Toros, but that's cause I couldn't find the 2.4's in clincher.
I ride a long wheel based recumbent in the winter because I have no car and it's my work horse, getting me where I need to go and hauling what I need to haul. I am close to the ground so falling is not a big concern for me.
I mostly ride on the sidewalks after they have been cleared because to ride on the streets is really a death wish because cars have a hard enough time seeing you on a bike without high snowbanks. They do take pretty good care in clearing the MUPs here and since they are blacktop the snow and ice melts fast when the sun hits it.
But I am fortunate in being retired and so can ride when I can and postpone a trip if conditions are too bad.
elocs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-17, 07:13 PM   #20
johnnyspaghetti
Senior Member
 
johnnyspaghetti's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Pigseye
Bikes: Raleigh Sports
Posts: 233
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 82 Post(s)
https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/r...241389753.html
johnnyspaghetti is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-17, 12:01 PM   #21
Leebo
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: North of Boston
Bikes: Kona Dawg, Surly 1x1, Karate Monkey, Rockhopper, Crosscheck , Burley Runabout,
Posts: 4,702
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 462 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1989Pre View Post
Wow! I thought all studded tires were about 100 dollars a pop.
26ers nokians are pretty cheap. Check used in your local bike clubs. Most riders are on 29ers/700c that I know, sometimes I see them for free.
Leebo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-17, 12:20 PM   #22
1989Pre 
Standard Member
Thread Starter
 
1989Pre's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Brunswick, Maine
Bikes: 1963 F. H. Grubb Routier, 1983 F. Moser Sprint, 1989 Raleigh Technium, 2001 Raleigh M80
Posts: 2,672
Mentioned: 15 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 646 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Leebo View Post
26ers nokians are pretty cheap. Check used in your local bike clubs. Most riders are on 29ers/700c that I know, sometimes I see them for free.

Thanks for the tip on the Nokians. The Mount & Ground is a nice tire.
There can be a thick sheet of ice over everything around here,
at winter time. My sister's in Newburyport, so I know you guys get the same weather.
__________________
The hills are why we come.

Last edited by 1989Pre; 08-03-17 at 01:43 PM.
1989Pre is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-03-17, 01:34 PM   #23
1989Pre 
Standard Member
Thread Starter
 
1989Pre's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Brunswick, Maine
Bikes: 1963 F. H. Grubb Routier, 1983 F. Moser Sprint, 1989 Raleigh Technium, 2001 Raleigh M80
Posts: 2,672
Mentioned: 15 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 646 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by rumrunn6 View Post
& it's a drag to get a taste of ice, mount your studs, then get no ice for weeks. you're riding your studs on dry rds & feel like a fool. some ppl have 2 sets of wheels, or better yet, 2 bikes!
I was looking at Bontrager, and saw that they have "studdable" tires, which means you can put the studs in (with a special tool) and take them out again. There was one model for $75.00, but it wasn't available in 26".
__________________
The hills are why we come.
1989Pre is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-04-17, 02:48 PM   #24
rumrunn6
Senior Member
 
rumrunn6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: 25 miles northwest of Boston
Bikes: Bottecchia Sprint
Posts: 18,145
Mentioned: 22 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1485 Post(s)
oh yeah that would be fun, taking the studs in & out depending on the weather? if there was a quick & easy way to do that maybe ...
rumrunn6 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-05-17, 05:31 PM   #25
1989Pre 
Standard Member
Thread Starter
 
1989Pre's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Brunswick, Maine
Bikes: 1963 F. H. Grubb Routier, 1983 F. Moser Sprint, 1989 Raleigh Technium, 2001 Raleigh M80
Posts: 2,672
Mentioned: 15 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 646 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by rumrunn6 View Post
oh yeah that would be fun, taking the studs in & out depending on the weather? if there was a quick & easy way to do that maybe ...
Probably not something I am willing to do. I'm just going to try to get through the winter on my knobbies, like always.
I can always put Stabilicers on my boots and walk it.
__________________
The hills are why we come.
1989Pre is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:22 AM.


We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.
 
  • Ask a Question
    get answers from real people!
Click to start entering your question.
I HAVE A QUESTION