Phantom 2 windstopper. Ugh. Baggy.
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Phantom 2 windstopper. Ugh. Baggy.
I purchased a Gore Phantom 2 Windstopper jacket. Haven't used it yet cuz I think I might return it. I'd like some input. From what I've read, this thing gets consistently amazing reviews (breathability, warmth). It's supposed to be a form-fitting, rather tight fit.
I am finding the thing is as baggy as all get-out! I ordered a large. WAY too baggy. Replaced it with a medium. It looks great when I'm standing erect, but when I lean over (as I would if I were over my handlebars) I get two BIG loose bulges across my chest. Both are easily 4-6" from my chest. Apart from looking unsightly (makes me look fat, like I have bulges all over my waste!), there is a lot of air space across my chest. Huge pockets of air from the folds.
So my question is, how much does that bulging, loose-fitting material compromise things in terms of warmth? How snug should it be? I've tried on Castelli stuff. Fits like a charm. THIS I'm not pleased with. But I've never heard anyone comment on this at all. Am I the only one?
Thanks in advance,
Tesgin
I am finding the thing is as baggy as all get-out! I ordered a large. WAY too baggy. Replaced it with a medium. It looks great when I'm standing erect, but when I lean over (as I would if I were over my handlebars) I get two BIG loose bulges across my chest. Both are easily 4-6" from my chest. Apart from looking unsightly (makes me look fat, like I have bulges all over my waste!), there is a lot of air space across my chest. Huge pockets of air from the folds.
So my question is, how much does that bulging, loose-fitting material compromise things in terms of warmth? How snug should it be? I've tried on Castelli stuff. Fits like a charm. THIS I'm not pleased with. But I've never heard anyone comment on this at all. Am I the only one?
Thanks in advance,
Tesgin
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In terms of warmth bulging is better.
Aerodynamics is worse (if thats really something you want to worry about in the winter)
Aerodynamics is worse (if thats really something you want to worry about in the winter)
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I purchased a Gore Phantom 2 Windstopper jacket. Haven't used it yet cuz I think I might return it. I'd like some input. From what I've read, this thing gets consistently amazing reviews (breathability, warmth). It's supposed to be a form-fitting, rather tight fit.
I am finding the thing is as baggy as all get-out! I ordered a large. WAY too baggy. Replaced it with a medium. It looks great when I'm standing erect, but when I lean over (as I would if I were over my handlebars) I get two BIG loose bulges across my chest. Both are easily 4-6" from my chest. Apart from looking unsightly (makes me look fat, like I have bulges all over my waste!), there is a lot of air space across my chest. Huge pockets of air from the folds.
So my question is, how much does that bulging, loose-fitting material compromise things in terms of warmth? How snug should it be? I've tried on Castelli stuff. Fits like a charm. THIS I'm not pleased with. But I've never heard anyone comment on this at all. Am I the only one?
Thanks in advance,
Tesgin
I am finding the thing is as baggy as all get-out! I ordered a large. WAY too baggy. Replaced it with a medium. It looks great when I'm standing erect, but when I lean over (as I would if I were over my handlebars) I get two BIG loose bulges across my chest. Both are easily 4-6" from my chest. Apart from looking unsightly (makes me look fat, like I have bulges all over my waste!), there is a lot of air space across my chest. Huge pockets of air from the folds.
So my question is, how much does that bulging, loose-fitting material compromise things in terms of warmth? How snug should it be? I've tried on Castelli stuff. Fits like a charm. THIS I'm not pleased with. But I've never heard anyone comment on this at all. Am I the only one?
Thanks in advance,
Tesgin
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Update. I returned the Phantom and bought two jackets. I went the direction of the Gore Xenon. Wow. Beautiful jacket. Warm. The venting is wonderful. Very comfortable in the teens and lower I'd suspect. I have always layered, but wanted to see how I liked a softshell. I tried a Gore Power 2.0. REALLY impressive jacket. I returned it, though, cuz it had no vents. I am certain I'd have overheated in that thing. Beautfully made, though. Wonderful fleece lining. I sent it back and got the Xenon. Glad I did.
However, I also ordered a Showers Pass Elite Pro. I LOVE that thing. Great venting, extremely light weight. It has some kind of reflective silver-ish inner lining. I throw that over a simple thermal layer (Izumi THermal Elite) with a craft baselayer underneath. That's it. I am VERY comfortable down to 17 deg F. I couldn't believe it. It seals nicely around the wrists and neck. I'm biking in a pocket of warm air. In the 20s I find myself opening the vents to cool off and it's quite comfy.
I like both jackets. If I had to choose one, I'd take the Showers Pass maybe, just for its versatility.
Nice thing about the Xenon, though, is that I'm comfortably warm from the get-go. Body temp never changes. With the Elite Pro I start out a bit chilly for the first 10-15 min until my body generates enough heat to keep me comfortable. After that I'm fine.
Tesgin
However, I also ordered a Showers Pass Elite Pro. I LOVE that thing. Great venting, extremely light weight. It has some kind of reflective silver-ish inner lining. I throw that over a simple thermal layer (Izumi THermal Elite) with a craft baselayer underneath. That's it. I am VERY comfortable down to 17 deg F. I couldn't believe it. It seals nicely around the wrists and neck. I'm biking in a pocket of warm air. In the 20s I find myself opening the vents to cool off and it's quite comfy.
I like both jackets. If I had to choose one, I'd take the Showers Pass maybe, just for its versatility.
Nice thing about the Xenon, though, is that I'm comfortably warm from the get-go. Body temp never changes. With the Elite Pro I start out a bit chilly for the first 10-15 min until my body generates enough heat to keep me comfortable. After that I'm fine.
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