Cell Phones Again!!
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Cell Phones Again!!
Was out riding this morning - and, coming in the opposite direction was a roadie steering with one hand on the bars and talking on the cell phone with the other hand, while riding!!
Yes, I carry a CP, and very occasionally get a call, but I ALWAYS stop before answering and talk while stopped. This is my first experience of seeing a biker talking and holding a CP while riding.
Yes, I carry a CP, and very occasionally get a call, but I ALWAYS stop before answering and talk while stopped. This is my first experience of seeing a biker talking and holding a CP while riding.
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haha...cp's are evil. I don't get why people can't turn them off when travelling and use them for emergencies only. I have seen this and usually start looking around at everything and driving irratically just to see how well the rider reacts. It usually turns out badly, but in this situation it is a well deserved fall.
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Originally posted by Maelstrom
haha...cp's are evil. I don't get why people can't turn them off when travelling and use them for emergencies only.
haha...cp's are evil. I don't get why people can't turn them off when travelling and use them for emergencies only.
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seems to be 2way, at least for Lance.
I read in his It's Not About The Bike that his coach would tell him his HR or cadence was too high or low or whatever, and also how far back people were, that kind of thing. IIRC, he could respond.
as far as cell phones, I have to stay in touch and be available. just gotta. I do screech to a stop to answer, but if I had an earpiece? dunno. I'll have to get one and find out how it works for me.
--alex.
I read in his It's Not About The Bike that his coach would tell him his HR or cadence was too high or low or whatever, and also how far back people were, that kind of thing. IIRC, he could respond.
as far as cell phones, I have to stay in touch and be available. just gotta. I do screech to a stop to answer, but if I had an earpiece? dunno. I'll have to get one and find out how it works for me.
--alex.
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Just don't ride and talk. Same with don't drive and talk. If you have to, use an ear piece or one of those things that attaches the phone to your head.
I don't mean leave your life behind but don't ride with one hand. Its not even the one hand thing it is how distracted a 'mobile' user becomes while on the phone.
I don't mean leave your life behind but don't ride with one hand. Its not even the one hand thing it is how distracted a 'mobile' user becomes while on the phone.
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haha...cp's are evil.
My CP allows me to get away for long rides, yet still be in touch in case of a medical emergency or other urgent situation (and they happen far too frequently in my life). Otherwise, I would never have the pleasure of a 30 mile ride to destinations unknown.
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Originally posted by unrelated
You can always use a ear piece so you won't have to hold it on your hand.
You can always use a ear piece so you won't have to hold it on your hand.
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Originally posted by Maelstrom
Its not even the one hand thing it is how distracted a 'mobile' user becomes while on the phone.
Its not even the one hand thing it is how distracted a 'mobile' user becomes while on the phone.
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Unless the caller knew you were biking they might get offended at all the heavy breathing into the phone.
You know what's even funnier though? People who smoke while biking. Usually seems to be those who obviously lost their licence for drinking and were in the habit of lighting up whenever they got in the car. I even know of one who bikes with a backpack full of beer.
You know what's even funnier though? People who smoke while biking. Usually seems to be those who obviously lost their licence for drinking and were in the habit of lighting up whenever they got in the car. I even know of one who bikes with a backpack full of beer.
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Originally posted by Oxymoron
I even know of one who bikes with a backpack full of beer.
I even know of one who bikes with a backpack full of beer.
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I think it is a double standard to say people should not talk on the phone while driving, yet we all talk to our passengers in the car.
If you have an earphone/headset OR speakerphone that allows to focus on the road, then I don't see the difference between that and talking to someone in the car. If someone gets distracted by that, then they are just a menace and will cause a problem, regardless of wether they are talking on the phone or not.
The distraction comes first from looking for the right buttons to hit, then from trying to hold the phone up to your ear and drive. Your arm blocks your head movement, and you have to focus some of your attention on holding the phone up, etc.
That said, I bring a phone with me when I Cycle, but I hope it never rings. Cycling is an escape for me --- and I would have to break that escape to stop and talk on the phone, and I HATE stopping.
IMHO, of course.
If you have an earphone/headset OR speakerphone that allows to focus on the road, then I don't see the difference between that and talking to someone in the car. If someone gets distracted by that, then they are just a menace and will cause a problem, regardless of wether they are talking on the phone or not.
The distraction comes first from looking for the right buttons to hit, then from trying to hold the phone up to your ear and drive. Your arm blocks your head movement, and you have to focus some of your attention on holding the phone up, etc.
That said, I bring a phone with me when I Cycle, but I hope it never rings. Cycling is an escape for me --- and I would have to break that escape to stop and talk on the phone, and I HATE stopping.
IMHO, of course.
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Originally posted by RollingGeek
I think it is a double standard to say people should not talk on the phone while driving, yet we all talk to our passengers in the car.
I think it is a double standard to say people should not talk on the phone while driving, yet we all talk to our passengers in the car.
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Originally posted by RollingGeek
I think it is a double standard to say people should not talk on the phone while driving, yet we all talk to our passengers in the car.
I think it is a double standard to say people should not talk on the phone while driving, yet we all talk to our passengers in the car.
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Originally posted by DnvrFox
Was out riding this morning - and, coming in the opposite direction was a roadie steering with one hand on the bars and talking on the cell phone with the other hand, while riding!!
Was out riding this morning - and, coming in the opposite direction was a roadie steering with one hand on the bars and talking on the cell phone with the other hand, while riding!!
Still, this distinction does not encourage me to chat on the phone while riding with traffic.
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I think there is more to it than just the hands. Cellphones often have bad sound quality causing the brain to pay more attention to listening than usual. The lack of using body language causes the brain to focus more on how to say what the brain thinks to make sure that the other person understands. When talking to someone in the car (or two people on bikes) they can avoid talking during tight situations as opposed to someone on the other end of a cellphone. I have even misplaced things at my home while talking on the phone that took a while to find, but that might be just me .
I do have a cellphone with me while riding, and it is on, but I have it on a quiet setting so I usually won't hear it. I can check the phone when I stop. Of course, if I expected an urgent call I would have it on a louder setting. But I would never ride and talk, hands-free or not.
/Csson
I do have a cellphone with me while riding, and it is on, but I have it on a quiet setting so I usually won't hear it. I can check the phone when I stop. Of course, if I expected an urgent call I would have it on a louder setting. But I would never ride and talk, hands-free or not.
/Csson
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The obvious difference between a motorist using a cell phone while driving and a cyclist using one while riding (as in your illustration, DnvrFox) is that the motorist might kill somebody, while the cyclist might only kill himself.
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It's pretty obvious that there are instances when all of our concentration needs to be focused on the task at hand (the SUV next to you starts pulling into your lane) and times when the task at hand is not demanding at all (stopped at a red light)
I'm pretty sure than Johan is not going to radio Lance when he is in the middle of a hairpin turn or going 70 MPH down hill. At the same time the guy next to you in the car is not going to philosphise about existentialism while you weave in and out of midtown traffic. The problem is that someone on the other end of a cell phone has no idea whether you should be spending more concentration on driving/riding or talking.
That's why I think cell phones are distracting.
I'm pretty sure than Johan is not going to radio Lance when he is in the middle of a hairpin turn or going 70 MPH down hill. At the same time the guy next to you in the car is not going to philosphise about existentialism while you weave in and out of midtown traffic. The problem is that someone on the other end of a cell phone has no idea whether you should be spending more concentration on driving/riding or talking.
That's why I think cell phones are distracting.
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Originally posted by Blackjack
That's why I think cell phones are distracting.
That's why I think cell phones are distracting.
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Originally posted by RollingGeek
I think it is a double standard to say people should not talk on the phone while driving, yet we all talk to our passengers in the car.
I think it is a double standard to say people should not talk on the phone while driving, yet we all talk to our passengers in the car.
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Originally posted by DnvrFox
Gosh - this cyclist was riding where there were a number of other cyclists. He might not kill them (me) but he sure could cause a bad accident.
Gosh - this cyclist was riding where there were a number of other cyclists. He might not kill them (me) but he sure could cause a bad accident.
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We are still one of the few who do not own or immediately plan to get a cell phone..Here in California many roads have emergency phone boxes that connect with the police. Or else, walk to phone and use my credit card..
But my point about cell phones. One of the things I do when out riding is observe motorists, particularily when I am stopped at red lights. I would guess, about 10 percent of all motorists are talking on their cell phone while driving, at any one given moment.. Ever notice how they drive while on the CP. Scarry..
But my point about cell phones. One of the things I do when out riding is observe motorists, particularily when I am stopped at red lights. I would guess, about 10 percent of all motorists are talking on their cell phone while driving, at any one given moment.. Ever notice how they drive while on the CP. Scarry..
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Originally posted by khuon
I don't think that banning cellphone use while driving will have much effect. I also think that we can train ourselves to talk while driving and manage distractions. The problem is that most of our society is geared around our reluctance to change our ways. Many of us have fallen under the impression that we no longer can or need to learn. There are ways to minimise risks of distractions and manage priorities. For example, airline pilots for instance rely on both verbal and radio communications. But during the moments of preflight, takeoff and landings, they observe a sterile cockpit rule... absolutely no distractions or conversations that do not have a bearing on aircraft operations. It all starts with proper training.
I don't think that banning cellphone use while driving will have much effect. I also think that we can train ourselves to talk while driving and manage distractions. The problem is that most of our society is geared around our reluctance to change our ways. Many of us have fallen under the impression that we no longer can or need to learn. There are ways to minimise risks of distractions and manage priorities. For example, airline pilots for instance rely on both verbal and radio communications. But during the moments of preflight, takeoff and landings, they observe a sterile cockpit rule... absolutely no distractions or conversations that do not have a bearing on aircraft operations. It all starts with proper training.
I am not saying not to take one. Just don't use it while 'cycling'. Stop sit down and chat your little connected heart out. I bring one on some of my more extreme trips into the back country. I would be an idiot not to.
If you have a child and have 'real' needs to be that connected to the rest of the world you can ignore that speal. I understand the need for a family connection. I am a single person whose only worry is himself and his gf. Not a wife and kids.
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I'm certainly not condoning the use of a cell phone while riding, but I am guilty of answering my cell on those afternoons I have slipped out of work for a ride...