How to be a jackass
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It's one thing for my LBS to take exception if I avail myself of their expertise and then buy online. That's uncool. But if I don't need my LBS's expertise, tools, service, or anything else, then exactly what is the problem with buying online?
I buy lots of stuff online, and I buy different kinds of stuff at my LBS. I buy things like pedals online, because I know what I want and it is cheaper and more convenient to purchase online than to shlep over to the LBS to put the part on order, then shlep back again a week later to pick it up. But if I need help with a spoke length calculation for a wheel build, I buy the parts at the LBS.
Somehow I still have a great relationship with my LBS. (Perhaps the custom Ti rig I picked up a few years ago bought me a little slack...)
Any LBS that hates you for ever buying online isn't a retail establishment, they're a stalker girlfriend.
I buy lots of stuff online, and I buy different kinds of stuff at my LBS. I buy things like pedals online, because I know what I want and it is cheaper and more convenient to purchase online than to shlep over to the LBS to put the part on order, then shlep back again a week later to pick it up. But if I need help with a spoke length calculation for a wheel build, I buy the parts at the LBS.
Somehow I still have a great relationship with my LBS. (Perhaps the custom Ti rig I picked up a few years ago bought me a little slack...)
Any LBS that hates you for ever buying online isn't a retail establishment, they're a stalker girlfriend.
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my post seriously was not meant to be an online vs local shop arguement. i have no problems with people getting stuff online to save cash. frankly, there are some customers i would prefer they shop online and not in a store where they have to interact with humans.
i have problems with people wasting time when i could help other actual customers, when their only intent is to use the shop like their personal library and pit crew, (and it's not like we don't know what they are doing, we do) or trying to bully the shop into giving them a discount, as if they deserve it for just being there, or just being a jackass customer in general. i will say it again. attitude and intent. i will answer questions happily all day and you aren't obligated to spend one cent. just don't be dooosh about it.
for example...the guy who comes in all "hey, i work in a shop, hook me up with a discount." he clearly doesn't, or perhaps he did briefly. anyone who really actually does (and we get a whole lot) never asks for a discount and will usually at least buy some small somethings, because they know what it's like.
thing is...the jackass customers....they are generally jackass humans in every aspect of their life, not just in a bike shop.
really, it's like, 1 out of every 100 is a jackass. it's just fun (and cathartic) to mock them.
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It's quite possible that it's just the area in which I work, as well as most people in most other areas I've visited/frequented, but we learn from our experiences & my experiences have taught me exactly what I posted.
Let me know what area of the southeast you live in so I can move there & get away from everywhere in GA south of Canton, which apparently holds the majority of the bastards in the world.
Let me know what area of the southeast you live in so I can move there & get away from everywhere in GA south of Canton, which apparently holds the majority of the bastards in the world.
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Attitude and intent is all to often no more than presumption on the part of the beholder. That is particularly true in the retail world, when one's impression of "attitude and intent" is derived from a few seconds of observation.
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Just curious, what exactly is your experience in retail? If you come from a recent background of retail employment (ie since big business took over the world & taking advantage of a company's desire to avoid bad press from abusive customers by caving in to their ridiculous demands became the norm) & have still managed to keep a positive attitude about retail customers, more power to you. But it's hard to take criticism from someone who compares working in an auto shop to working in actual retail just because you happen to deal with customers. Again, kudos of you actually know what it's like, that's just not the impression I'm getting.
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Just curious, what exactly is your experience in retail? If you come from a recent background of retail employment (ie since big business took over the world & taking advantage of a company's desire to avoid bad press from abusive customers by caving in to their ridiculous demands became the norm) & have still managed to keep a positive attitude about retail customers, more power to you. But it's hard to take criticism from someone who compares working in an auto shop to working in actual retail just because you happen to deal with customers. Again, kudos of you actually know what it's like, that's just not the impression I'm getting.
I pretty much buy most everything from my LBS. In some cases, when I don't want to spend the gasoline to drive I will internet shop, but in the end the treatment I get (courtesy, patience, real assistance) has me spending money there. And if I am just shooting the breeze with a worker there, I cut the conversation and step back (I physically step away) so they can turn to the person that just came in. I love cycling, the folks that I like to ride with, and try to carry that attitude to the shop. They give me a 10% discount from being a local club member, and in the end that makes my internet shopping only a small amount better price wise after shipping. And in the mechanic shop, they go WAAAY beyond the call of duty - a bike fit, seat post, stem, front and rear hub rebuild, and derailler adjustment cost me $96.
And there is that other, bigger local shop up the street. I won't spend my money on discounted merchandise there, I'd rather pay full $ at the shop down the street.
As to the Bastard population in Georgia, could it be, El Guapo, that just maybe your Bastard Detector is more a self-fulfilling prophecy kinda thing? And to "take criticism" from someone that only works in an auto shop? The needle is starting to move on the Detector, but I wonder why?
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It's quite possible that it's just the area in which I work, as well as most people in most other areas I've visited/frequented, but we learn from our experiences & my experiences have taught me exactly what I posted.
Let me know what area of the southeast you live in so I can move there & get away from everywhere in GA south of Canton, which apparently holds the majority of the bastards in the world.
Let me know what area of the southeast you live in so I can move there & get away from everywhere in GA south of Canton, which apparently holds the majority of the bastards in the world.
Damn, you beat me to it - well said.
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I worked in retail: my family had a business when I was a kid When exactly was that? I'm admittedly far too young to have any personal experience in the retail world before big business dominated the country, but three of the managers I've worked for have been in retail for 20+ years each & they all claim that the business has changed significantly since they first started working., and my wife and I did for a number of years whilst raising our kids. We had Customers come in and ask tons of questions and even take pictures of our work, so as to go out and make it themselves or buy it elsewhere. We did our best to treat everyone as a valued Customer, even if they were total jerks. But the number of jerks was greatly outweighed by the number of genuinely good folk. I have a tendency to exaggerate..in my area it's probably 1 in every 20 or so that I would label a bastard.
I pretty much buy most everything from my LBS. In some cases, when I don't want to spend the gasoline to drive I will internet shop, but in the end the treatment I get (courtesy, patience, real assistance) has me spending money there. And if I am just shooting the breeze with a worker there, I cut the conversation and step back (I physically step away) so they can turn to the person that just came in. I love cycling, the folks that I like to ride with, and try to carry that attitude to the shop. They give me a 10% discount from being a local club member, and in the end that makes my internet shopping only a small amount better price wise after shipping. And in the mechanic shop, they go WAAAY beyond the call of duty - a bike fit, seat post, stem, front and rear hub rebuild, and derailler adjustment cost me $96. And in your time in the retail business, you never once wondered why it's so hard for other customers to treat their shops with the same decency of simply treating the LBS employees fairly?
And there is that other, bigger local shop up the street. I won't spend my money on discounted merchandise there, I'd rather pay full $ at the shop down the street.Small businesses everywhere thank you for that. Well I assume they do. I work at a 5000+ store multimillion dollar corporation, so I can't exactly speak on their behalf.
As to the Bastard population in Georgia, could it be, El Guapo, that just maybe your Bastard Detector is more a self-fulfilling prophecy kinda thing? And to "take criticism" from someone that only works in an auto shop? The needle is starting to move on the Detector, but I wonder why? Could be, I do have quite an ego. Could also be that the combination of working in a low-income area at an over-priced drug store at which I have virtually no power in merchandise pricing or giving customers discounts, as well as having a piss poor district manager who complains if we don't enforce corporate policies but will still write us up & suspend people from work if the customer files a complaint about it, has temporarily crushed my spirit.
I pretty much buy most everything from my LBS. In some cases, when I don't want to spend the gasoline to drive I will internet shop, but in the end the treatment I get (courtesy, patience, real assistance) has me spending money there. And if I am just shooting the breeze with a worker there, I cut the conversation and step back (I physically step away) so they can turn to the person that just came in. I love cycling, the folks that I like to ride with, and try to carry that attitude to the shop. They give me a 10% discount from being a local club member, and in the end that makes my internet shopping only a small amount better price wise after shipping. And in the mechanic shop, they go WAAAY beyond the call of duty - a bike fit, seat post, stem, front and rear hub rebuild, and derailler adjustment cost me $96. And in your time in the retail business, you never once wondered why it's so hard for other customers to treat their shops with the same decency of simply treating the LBS employees fairly?
And there is that other, bigger local shop up the street. I won't spend my money on discounted merchandise there, I'd rather pay full $ at the shop down the street.Small businesses everywhere thank you for that. Well I assume they do. I work at a 5000+ store multimillion dollar corporation, so I can't exactly speak on their behalf.
As to the Bastard population in Georgia, could it be, El Guapo, that just maybe your Bastard Detector is more a self-fulfilling prophecy kinda thing? And to "take criticism" from someone that only works in an auto shop? The needle is starting to move on the Detector, but I wonder why? Could be, I do have quite an ego. Could also be that the combination of working in a low-income area at an over-priced drug store at which I have virtually no power in merchandise pricing or giving customers discounts, as well as having a piss poor district manager who complains if we don't enforce corporate policies but will still write us up & suspend people from work if the customer files a complaint about it, has temporarily crushed my spirit.
It's a great big world out there lad, some 7 billion people and counting. The few hundred, or even thousand, people you've personally had contact with notwithstanding, my experience has taught me that if you go around with the attitude that "most people are bastards", chances are your expectations will likely be met. IOW, you get back the same kind of energy you project. Quite a bit of truth in that. Still waiting for a chance to travel abroad & restore my faith in humanity, but working a minimum wage job & paying for school while supporting myself doesn't exactly give me a lot of cash to put away for travel. Go figure. I'll go cry myself a river or something.
Damn, you beat me to it - well said.
Damn, you beat me to it - well said.
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You can't let bastards/a-holes get you down too much.
Working in the clinic there are so many ungrateful people who have no idea how much the team puts in to help them get better and be able to go home, and hopefully keep enjoying life. All they see is that the docs never have enough time to spend 30 minutes with them every day (not realizing the whole station is full of other patients), and that they may have to wait a bit if their problem isn't serious before a nurse can assist them with what they need (also not realizing that maybe two doors down someone with an intestinal tumor is throwing up the backed up fluid out of their intestine, and really needs help).
Most people don't understand what is going on behind the scenes, and therefore don't always have the appreciation they should for what you do. However, the people whose lives you change, or whose day you can make a little better are totally worth it.
Everyone can be a bastard sometimes, and a person who is not satisfied with their own life (or just having a bad day) will be much more prone to this. Some people were simply never educated to understand that they should be appreciative when a person is going out of their way to help them out. While I don't like it when these people let it out on me, I feel really sorry for them, and at first try to make them maybe laugh or smile. If that doesn't work then they receive the best care I can give them, but no personal investment from me (and BS complaints will be ignored).
It sounds to me like you are just working somewhere where you yourself are not happy with the situation. Maybe you should try to take a few hours, and try to find somewhere else to work. If you deal with people it won't get rid of the bastards, but it may give you more patience and understanding to deal with them.
I really respect anyone who works and goes to school at the same time, and I know how hard that can be. I would also really recommend going abroad, but remember everywhere has bastards (though in some places they can be more concentrated). Have you looked into exchange/study abroad programs? Sometimes you can get scholarships, or work part time in the country where you travel to making it quite a bit more realistic than trying to go abroad without any sort of program.
Working in the clinic there are so many ungrateful people who have no idea how much the team puts in to help them get better and be able to go home, and hopefully keep enjoying life. All they see is that the docs never have enough time to spend 30 minutes with them every day (not realizing the whole station is full of other patients), and that they may have to wait a bit if their problem isn't serious before a nurse can assist them with what they need (also not realizing that maybe two doors down someone with an intestinal tumor is throwing up the backed up fluid out of their intestine, and really needs help).
Most people don't understand what is going on behind the scenes, and therefore don't always have the appreciation they should for what you do. However, the people whose lives you change, or whose day you can make a little better are totally worth it.
Everyone can be a bastard sometimes, and a person who is not satisfied with their own life (or just having a bad day) will be much more prone to this. Some people were simply never educated to understand that they should be appreciative when a person is going out of their way to help them out. While I don't like it when these people let it out on me, I feel really sorry for them, and at first try to make them maybe laugh or smile. If that doesn't work then they receive the best care I can give them, but no personal investment from me (and BS complaints will be ignored).
It sounds to me like you are just working somewhere where you yourself are not happy with the situation. Maybe you should try to take a few hours, and try to find somewhere else to work. If you deal with people it won't get rid of the bastards, but it may give you more patience and understanding to deal with them.
I really respect anyone who works and goes to school at the same time, and I know how hard that can be. I would also really recommend going abroad, but remember everywhere has bastards (though in some places they can be more concentrated). Have you looked into exchange/study abroad programs? Sometimes you can get scholarships, or work part time in the country where you travel to making it quite a bit more realistic than trying to go abroad without any sort of program.
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Just curious, what exactly is your experience in retail? ... But it's hard to take criticism from someone who compares working in an auto shop to working in actual retail just because you happen to deal with customers. Again, kudos of you actually know what it's like, that's just not the impression I'm getting..
I agree that a lot of people working retail today, especially for big corporations, don't seem to realize what it's really about.
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I would also really recommend going abroad, but remember everywhere has bastards (though in some places they can be more concentrated). Have you looked into exchange/study abroad programs? Sometimes you can get scholarships, or work part time in the country where you travel to making it quite a bit more realistic than trying to go abroad without any sort of program.
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You can't let bastards/a-holes get you down too much. For the most part I've learned not to let them, but I happened to respond to the majority of these comment while at work & running the register. Hell, my attitude changed so much just from being at work to getting home last night that scyclops assumed a very legitimate statement was just me being facetious.
Working in the clinic there are so many ungrateful people who have no idea how much the team puts in to help them get better and be able to go home, and hopefully keep enjoying life.Now your experience with a-holes is unquestionable! Clinic doctors put up with more ungrateful people than probably any other profession I'm aware of, & have to go through years & years of school to do it. Much respect!
Everyone can be a bastard sometimes, and a person who is not satisfied with their own life (or just having a bad day) will be much more prone to this. Some people were simply never educated to understand that they should be appreciative when a person is going out of their way to help them out. While I don't like it when these people let it out on me, I feel really sorry for them, and at first try to make them maybe laugh or smile. If that doesn't work then they receive the best care I can give them, but no personal investment from me (and BS complaints will be ignored).We were just going over this in psychology, how individualist countries (like the US) have a tendency to take full credit for everything they do & always judge others harshly based on what others do, & never give anyone the benefit of the doubt that they would always expect others to give them. It's sad, really, & I'm more guilty of it then just about anyone I know. But I'm working on it.
It sounds to me like you are just working somewhere where you yourself are not happy with the situation. Maybe you should try to take a few hours, and try to find somewhere else to work.Very much so, & I am. Hoping to get a job working with my sister-in-law down at an insurance call center in Macon that has a good reputation for competent management & (relatively) amazing pay. I was able to deal with the customers a lot more easily before my old boss was transferred across the state & they replaced him with someone whose way of dealing with stress is by blaming everyone around her for everything that goes wrong.
I really respect anyone who works and goes to school at the same time, and I know how hard that can be. I would also really recommend going abroad, but remember everywhere has bastards (though in some places they can be more concentrated). Have you looked into exchange/study abroad programs? Sometimes you can get scholarships, or work part time in the country where you travel to making it quite a bit more realistic than trying to go abroad without any sort of program.I'm still trying to get my credits/GPA up & keeping my eyes open for any such opportunity. I was a screw up in high school & didn't start out my higher education with many colleges jumping at the chance to give me a scholarship. I know, my fault. Such is life.
Working in the clinic there are so many ungrateful people who have no idea how much the team puts in to help them get better and be able to go home, and hopefully keep enjoying life.Now your experience with a-holes is unquestionable! Clinic doctors put up with more ungrateful people than probably any other profession I'm aware of, & have to go through years & years of school to do it. Much respect!
Everyone can be a bastard sometimes, and a person who is not satisfied with their own life (or just having a bad day) will be much more prone to this. Some people were simply never educated to understand that they should be appreciative when a person is going out of their way to help them out. While I don't like it when these people let it out on me, I feel really sorry for them, and at first try to make them maybe laugh or smile. If that doesn't work then they receive the best care I can give them, but no personal investment from me (and BS complaints will be ignored).We were just going over this in psychology, how individualist countries (like the US) have a tendency to take full credit for everything they do & always judge others harshly based on what others do, & never give anyone the benefit of the doubt that they would always expect others to give them. It's sad, really, & I'm more guilty of it then just about anyone I know. But I'm working on it.
It sounds to me like you are just working somewhere where you yourself are not happy with the situation. Maybe you should try to take a few hours, and try to find somewhere else to work.Very much so, & I am. Hoping to get a job working with my sister-in-law down at an insurance call center in Macon that has a good reputation for competent management & (relatively) amazing pay. I was able to deal with the customers a lot more easily before my old boss was transferred across the state & they replaced him with someone whose way of dealing with stress is by blaming everyone around her for everything that goes wrong.
I really respect anyone who works and goes to school at the same time, and I know how hard that can be. I would also really recommend going abroad, but remember everywhere has bastards (though in some places they can be more concentrated). Have you looked into exchange/study abroad programs? Sometimes you can get scholarships, or work part time in the country where you travel to making it quite a bit more realistic than trying to go abroad without any sort of program.I'm still trying to get my credits/GPA up & keeping my eyes open for any such opportunity. I was a screw up in high school & didn't start out my higher education with many colleges jumping at the chance to give me a scholarship. I know, my fault. Such is life.
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Overall, maybe around 10-15 years, from working in a family business to management, ranging from cafe to retail stores to computer stores, and own/operating retail businesses (3 times). My main work however has always been computer - programming, integrator, systems engineer etc.
I agree that a lot of people working retail today, especially for big corporations, don't seem to realize what it's really about.
I agree that a lot of people working retail today, especially for big corporations, don't seem to realize what it's really about.
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I worked in two small business retail stores in an equally low-income areas to the one I work in now. Honestly I never had a problem with people in general until I started working for a big corporation. After a while, it becomes hard to deal with customers as people when your superiors don't grant you the same courtesy. It's a trickle-down effect & I have nothing but respect for people who don't let it get to them, but I'm just not one of those people.
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I can tell you first-hand that it's happening with..er..I can't use the company's name without express written consent, so we'll refer to it as Wrong Aid. Stores have been closing down left & right for years, you can see in the sale papers that people now regularly have to buy $30+ worth of a single brand of merchandise just to get a $5 store credit coupon or something to that degree, when I first started working here they had just recently realized that there was no difference in responsibility between Asst. Manager & Shift Supervisor except $4+/hour, so they did away with that position & offered a poor severance package for those who wanted to leave because of it, & just cut the pay of those who couldn't afford to. The most thriving companies in the US seem to be the ones that pay & treat their employees with courtesy & respect (Costco, anyone?), & Wrong Aid dug themselves in a hole by trying to cut costs & close stores when the economy tanked, & now the majority of their employees resent the corporation. I mean hell, we have full time pharmacists that have been with the company 10+ years & still have 5 figure salaries!
Granted my only experience in the company is in my district/region, & we are the 3rd lowest district & the absolute lowest region in sales & customer service, so it could just be that the management here sucks.
Granted my only experience in the company is in my district/region, & we are the 3rd lowest district & the absolute lowest region in sales & customer service, so it could just be that the management here sucks.
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If your forum posts are any indication of your ftf communication style then it's no wonder you're having trouble interacting with people.
There are some people on this forum who are actually trying to help you, but you can't see that because you filter everything through your negative lens that says everyone is just being mean, and none of it is in response to your attitude. Trust me, I know of which I speak, when I was young I was a cynical, self-absorbed little punk who never took any responsibility for other people's reactions to my poor demeanor.
You seem like a basically nice guy, but you're so focused on defending your righteousness that there's no room to even consider that you in fact have immense power to shape your interactions with people - for better or worse.
By remaining locked into your current mindset you're only really hurting yourself. And I hope you take my remarks in the spirit in which they are intended - but whether you do or not ultimately won't matter to me.
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I've purchased used parts from CF and from ebay and brought them to my #1 shop for installation. Frequently, the installation will involve additional parts such as cable, housing or some other part that I didn't think of. I buy those from the shop that's doing the installation. They've never complained. Hey, I'm still paying their standard labor rate for all the work they perform and I still buy some parts and accessories from them. Also, I never ask for a discount and never complain about their prices, although I do ask for an estimate before they start the work. I can understand what the OP is saying about someone who just abuses the bike shop, but some shops won't work on a bike if you don't buy the parts from them, especially used parts. Others, like the shop I frequent, understand that when a major installation occurs, there will be accessories or associated parts that must be purchased, plus the job pays for salaries.
Now for those of you that will jump on my next comment based on my statement above that it is a market after all I'd like to point out one thing to keep in mind, yes it is a market, but you may not like the results by going exclusively on-line. To those that think they are saving X number of dollars by getting things mail-order/on-line you are not saving as much as you think. What I'm referring to is brick-and-morter stores (e.g., your LBS) vs. internet mail order businesses. I'll just touch on it, but the general point will be made. Local sales taxes, property taxes, building improvements, employee wages, shop profits (my gosh, they make a profit? - how dare they!) and more help to support your town in so many ways. Your money spent locally will return to your town (and partially to you through lowered residential taxes, fees, etc.) many-fold. Send that same $$ out of your town to X-internet house and you just don't see it again (or any return) locally.
Also, next time you need something fast to get out and ride that day you can buzz on over to your LBS - - - - and it might be gone because you didn't support it. However, you can order overnight instead or wait for shipping a few days later to save costs - that will get you going out that day won't it?
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Redheaded Stepchild
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The "I'll go cry myself a river ir something" was meant to indicate that I fully realize that not being able to afford to travel abroad is a pretty stupid thing to whine about whilst living comfortably in a first world country.
There are a lot of people here trying to help me, and if you haven't noticed, I take what they say to heart & respond appropriately. What causes me to respond so differently to you is that it doesn't feel like you're trying to help because you offer so much criticism & so little advise. When people do that, I tend to assume they're just hate-mongering. So I apologize for misinterpretting your intent.
There are a lot of people here trying to help me, and if you haven't noticed, I take what they say to heart & respond appropriately. What causes me to respond so differently to you is that it doesn't feel like you're trying to help because you offer so much criticism & so little advise. When people do that, I tend to assume they're just hate-mongering. So I apologize for misinterpretting your intent.
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dont make me get the belt
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Read this: https://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/200...relationships/
#48
You gonna eat that?
I found this out when 2 LBSs near me closed last year.
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Wow that's a lot of reading. I only made it through about 1/2 because I have to get ready for work, in "customer service." Samburger, you are 100% correct about most people being bastards. Granted I live in the midwest, and what I feel is a hot spot for self centered bastardism, but I'm pretty sure it's nearly as bad everywhere. People in the US are concerned with themselves and money. That's the American way. I'd say 1 in 20 is a decently good ratio for judging how many are self centered, rude, pricks. But probably only 1 in 20 is actually nice and friendly either. And 1/2 are struggling mentally and seem like they must come from inbred stock or something. Those numbers don't leave you with a lot of hope or a good mood when you deal with it every day for hours.
And as for the comments about it being self fulfilling, totally not the case. I used to be a really positive person. This job has made me less in general and made me hate our population in general. Yet I still have fantastic customer service and have been in line for a shift manager position for 2 years now as soon as one of our current ones leave. It's not that people are giving back what they're getting from me. I'm very friendly and helpful to them. It's just that they're d-bags.
And as for the comments about it being self fulfilling, totally not the case. I used to be a really positive person. This job has made me less in general and made me hate our population in general. Yet I still have fantastic customer service and have been in line for a shift manager position for 2 years now as soon as one of our current ones leave. It's not that people are giving back what they're getting from me. I'm very friendly and helpful to them. It's just that they're d-bags.
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Pedals, Paddles and Poles
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Guys, let's check the guns at the door and cool off. If you want to do some analysis of each others mental and business states, perhaps take this to foo. The OP has a good thread. Take the review of humanity elsewhere.
And also, do remember, personal attacks don't belong here.
And also, do remember, personal attacks don't belong here.
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I think its disgusting and terrible how people treat Lance Armstrong, especially after winning 7 Tour de France Titles while on drugs!
I can't even find my bike when I'm on drugs. -Willie N.
I think its disgusting and terrible how people treat Lance Armstrong, especially after winning 7 Tour de France Titles while on drugs!
I can't even find my bike when I'm on drugs. -Willie N.