Originally Posted by rpenmanparker

"Saturday night in Toledo, Ohio is like being nowhere at all."

Originally Posted by Heathpack

Lol, when your spouse doesn't like to talk on the phone and you try to talk with him on the phone from work about the story with the bike, there is a chance you'll wind up posting prematurely.

What Mr H actually said was, "I'll tell you about it when you get home. It was basically what Fuji thought."

1. Brake cable. It's not that it was routed incorrectly. The issue is that the tolerances are very small and the rear brake is located just to the inside of the crankset. What was rubbing was just the extra little bit of brake cable that is left after the cable is run through the caliper. The extra little bit just needed to be bent at a right angle to get the extra it away from the chainrings. If I put wider wheels on the bike, this might rub again, in which case re-crimp it. It may be that it was previously bent as it should be but the type of wire in this particular does not hold a bend well. If necessary, it can be replaced with cable that will hold the right angle bend better.

2. Chain rub. This bike has adjustable dropouts for the rear wheel, this allows you to use tires of different diameters and adjust the position of the wheels such that there is minimal clearance between the tire and the seat tube. This is something you'd adjust for aerodynamic reasons. It turns out that the rear wheel was installed with the dropouts in different positions, so the rear wheel was actually not straight on the bike. This was the source of the chain rub, which is gone now.

Dave the mechanic is reported to be a rockstar. Completely knowledgable about the bike and a fabulous source of information. Excellent first impression.

So that's the actual scoop, not the miscommunication scoop that I posted previously.

The bike is a beautiful, graceful thing, slender like a gazelle. Pics once we get the horrible reflectors off the spokes.

Originally Posted by rjones28

Originally Posted by gc3

That's because it isn't hot enough in Houston!

Originally Posted by Heathpack

Oh yeah. And Mr H pointed out that we actually *do* have an extra Shimano-compatible BB86. On the Original Magic Bike aka the trainer bike. Easy enough to borrow that until we can get a new one.

Originally Posted by Heathpack

I guess at least if that had to happen at least it was a mountain bike. Nothing against mountain bikes, I just assume they are hardy creatures.

Originally Posted by Heathpack

So that's the actual scoop, not the miscommunication scoop that I posted previously.

Originally Posted by Heathpack

Also. I read this really interesting blog post today. I had recently said to somebody, I can't remember who, must have been my coach because who else would I have this kind of exchange with? Anyway, after my short Tri leg that I rode, I was saying how I liked the TT thing, it is a very different challenge, it's really all about managing your own momentum and not letting your momentum lapse because you have then you have to pop yourself briefly into the red to regain momentum.

Then I read this: Climbing vs time-trialling: same effort, different power output | CyclingTips

Which is essentially saying the same thing. How you can have too types of very steady power outputs- climbing & flat TTing- and they require different types of energy utilization and muscle recruitment patterns. Don't know how 100% true the neuromuscular stuff is, but it rings true- TT efforts are more about constantly topping off power whereas climbing is about constantly producing power.

Tons of interesting implications of this.

For example, the trainer has a long of the same properties as climbing (ie no momentum). So if you set your FTP on a hill or a trainer, it may be somewhat different for a TT effort. Depending on your neuromuscular make up, you may be able to exceed your own FTP for extended periods of time or alternatively not even meet FTP. I would think you'd want to ride a bunch around the edges of your own FTP for different durations and see what is possible.

Also, if you're training for TTs, you may want to do as much of that training as possible on the road at a higher cadence. My first instinct is to do a bunch of work on the trainer to adapt to the position on the bike without worrying about bike handling, and I still may do that. But riding on the road is in theory better.

Interesting food for thought.

Haha, I doubt any of y'all really care too much. Except probably @LAJ.

Originally Posted by LAJ

I agree with much of that. Hillclimbs and TT's do require output for a time, so in that respect, they teach the mind to continue on. The whole thing is so mental, that if the mind isn't recruited, the rest is history.

Getting comfy on the TT bike is paramount, and getting to know it on the trainer is just the first step. Finding a nice flat run of road, and spending many quality hours on it was an eye opening time for me. It's always better to ride on the road, but environment, time and life may not always cooperate.

Originally Posted by RollCNY

@Heathpack, that same description is a big part of my fun on the SS. You have to manage momentum, and if you plan poorly, it becomes brutal. It is part of why my cadence varies from 30 to 160 on a group ride, and part of why my former cohort always laughed at my antics.

Originally Posted by Mumonkan

i mount my lights so theyre under the bars, the lower your source of light is the better you see the surface of the road since shadows cast at a different angle than your POV

but lights ≠ aero so theres also that

Originally Posted by 3alarmer

...the managing your momentum thing is exactly why I think road bike disc brakes are dumb. Who wants to stop?

Originally Posted by Heathpack

Totally agree about the trainer v road thing. For me, any TT bike workouts assigned M-Th are probably of necessity going to be ridden on the trainer, because for those rides, I'm riding when it's dark. Not sure how successfully you could put lights on a TT bike, you'd block your own light once you're in an aero position, or so I assume. I guess you could get fork lights or something like that. But the whole thing is carbon, I'm not sure about clamping anything to the frame. I'm assuming weekdays will be trainer rides, weekend road rides. We'll see how the whole thing works out logistically in the end.

So there's what you might want to do in theory and what you wind up needing to do in reality. Two seperate things almost always.

Originally Posted by Bah Humbug

I'd certainly do post-sunset training on the trainer anyway, of course.

Originally Posted by Bah Humbug

The Serfas Thunderbolts are bright and won't harm a carbon frame (though I'd want a few if I were using them for illumination). I'd certainly do post-sunset training on the trainer anyway, of course.

Originally Posted by Heathpack

Just googled this.

Headlights, I was talking headlights.

Taillight likely solvable pretty readily, my Dinotte came with a zillion different mounts. Pretty sure one will work for the Fuji.

Originally Posted by Heathpack

Just googled this.

Headlights, I was talking headlights.

Taillight likely solvable pretty readily, my Dinotte came with a zillion different mounts. Pretty sure one will work for the Fuji.