Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Road Cycling
Reload this Page >

Winter trainer travails: saddle hurts

Search
Notices
Road Cycling “It is by riding a bicycle that you learn the contours of a country best, since you have to sweat up the hills and coast down them. Thus you remember them as they actually are, while in a motor car only a high hill impresses you, and you have no such accurate remembrance of country you have driven through as you gain by riding a bicycle.” -- Ernest Hemingway

Winter trainer travails: saddle hurts

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 12-17-10, 11:39 PM
  #1  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
rousseau's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Southwestern Ontario
Posts: 2,811
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 111 Post(s)
Liked 38 Times in 21 Posts
Winter trainer travails: saddle hurts

Why the aitch does the saddle hurt my butt so much on the trainer? My best guess is that the bike is in a steady position, making it more like a torture implement. When you're on the road the bike is moving side to side, as are you, so you're not relentlessly gouging your backside so much.

Does this sound right? Does it hurt less on rollers?

Just curious. I used to ride outside in the winter, but this year I can't be bothered (too much time getting ready, don't feel like dealing with the cold air, etc.). So this is my first winter of serious trainer riding, but I just can't get comfortable in the saddle.

Any suggestions?
rousseau is offline  
Old 12-17-10, 11:58 PM
  #2  
Banned.
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: ohioland/right near hicville farmtown
Posts: 4,813
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
i've noticed the same thing, but my pain is also mainly caused by my trainer not being level so i lean on one side of my butt more than the other.
jsutkeepspining is offline  
Old 12-18-10, 12:15 AM
  #3  
Beer >> Sanity
 
bikerjp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Colorado
Posts: 3,449

Bikes: 2014 Evo DA2, 2010 Caad9-4, 2011 Synapse-4, 2013 CaadX-disc

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Just got off the trainer and mine is sore too. New bike but have ridden a couple hundred miles already and no soreness. On the trainer, the bones are sore. One thought I had was different clothes. Maybe, in my case, the extra clothing in the winter helps. Might hurt more in the summer.

Good question. Curious to know if there is a reason and ultimately a solution.
bikerjp is offline  
Old 12-18-10, 04:21 AM
  #4  
Senior Member
 
roadwarrior's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Someplace trying to figure it out
Posts: 10,664

Bikes: Cannondale EVO, CAAD9, Giant cross bike.

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 67 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 7 Times in 6 Posts
You don't have as much pressure on your hands and feet when on the trainer. Try standing up periodically.
roadwarrior is offline  
Old 12-18-10, 06:07 AM
  #5  
You blink and it's gone.
 
rbart4506's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Dundas, Ontario
Posts: 4,436

Bikes: Race bike, training bike, go fast bike and a trainer slave.

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
^^^Yup!

During intervals, no butt pain...During rest periods, butt pain....I stand to relive the pressure and pain...
rbart4506 is offline  
Old 12-18-10, 06:30 AM
  #6  
In Real Life
 
Machka's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Down under down under
Posts: 52,152

Bikes: Lots

Mentioned: 141 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3203 Post(s)
Liked 596 Times in 329 Posts
Yes, you hurt more on the trainer than outside because you don't move around in the saddle as much as you do when you're outside. It's a very similar thing as riding on the back of the tandem. I try to sit still on the tandem so it is easier for Rowan to handle, and there is a lot more sitbone pain on the tandem than on a single bicycle.

Solution on the trainer ...
-- take a break and get off the trainer once every hour.
-- during the break, do some stretching. I especially have to stretch the lower back and hamstrings.
-- while on the trainer I spend some time riding on the drops, some time riding on the top of the handlebars, and some time sitting bolt upright.

Solution on the tandem ...
-- we stand and stretch about every 15 minutes.
-- get off the tandem more frequently than we do on our singles.
-- during the break off the tandem, do some stretching. I especially have to stretch the lower back and hamstrings.


They aren't perfect solutions, but they help. As does just getting on and riding more and toughening up the butt.

Last edited by Machka; 12-18-10 at 06:33 AM.
Machka is offline  
Old 12-18-10, 06:35 AM
  #7  
Team Sohoku
 
SingleSpeeDemon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Not where I want to be.
Posts: 2,003

Bikes: BMC, Cannondale, '87 Nishiki Modulus, 3Rensho Keirin

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 13 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Machka
...it's a very similar thing as riding on the back of the tandem...there is a lot more sitbone pain on the tandem than on a single bicycle.
Amen on that. I enjoy stoking with my friend, but it is sometimes a major pain in the taint.
SingleSpeeDemon is offline  
Old 12-18-10, 08:02 AM
  #8  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 4,243
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 343 Post(s)
Liked 15 Times in 9 Posts
I hate to even go here, but I change the height of the front wheel every 45 minutes or so. Works for me.
jdon is offline  
Old 12-18-10, 09:48 AM
  #9  
Senior Member
 
surgeonstone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: South Bend IN
Posts: 11,218

Bikes: 1976 FRESCHI, 2004 Crumpton.

Mentioned: 31 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 925 Post(s)
Liked 21 Times in 10 Posts
Originally Posted by rousseau
Why the aitch does the saddle hurt my butt so much on the trainer? My best guess is that the bike is in a steady position, making it more like a torture implement. When you're on the road the bike is moving side to side, as are you, so you're not relentlessly gouging your backside so much.

Does this sound right? Does it hurt less on rollers?

Just curious. I used to ride outside in the winter, but this year I can't be bothered (too much time getting ready, don't feel like dealing with the cold air, etc.). So this is my first winter of serious trainer riding, but I just can't get comfortable in the saddle.

Any suggestions?
This is exactly why it hurts so much. The fixed position is the culprit. The best thing I found was switching to the Kurt Kinetic Rock and Roll. The rear wheel assembly is mounted on thick rubber bushings giving a very comfortable and natural feel. Although I still vastly prefer being outside, this trainer has increased my indoor saddle time 100%.
surgeonstone is offline  
Old 12-18-10, 10:01 AM
  #10  
gmt
 
Grumpy McTrumpy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Binghamton, NY
Posts: 12,509
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 45 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts
there is a certain forward-back motion that you can observe on free-motion rollers as well. they feel just like the road, and I only need to stand at about the same frequency as on the road.

it's very slight, but it's there.
Grumpy McTrumpy is offline  
Old 12-18-10, 11:56 AM
  #11  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
rousseau's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Southwestern Ontario
Posts: 2,811
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 111 Post(s)
Liked 38 Times in 21 Posts
Stand up every hour? Jeebus, I can only ever do about 45 minutes on the trainer, and that's torture enough, both physically and mentally.

I think I need to stand up every ten minutes!
rousseau is offline  
Old 01-08-11, 09:23 PM
  #12  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
rousseau's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Southwestern Ontario
Posts: 2,811
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 111 Post(s)
Liked 38 Times in 21 Posts
Well, don't laugh, but what I'm doing now is squirming around on the saddle, like. My intention is to effect an approximation of the interaction between derriere and saddle that you get out on the road. It seems to help.
rousseau is offline  
Old 01-08-11, 09:28 PM
  #13  
Should Be More Popular
 
datlas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Malvern, PA (20 miles West of Philly)
Posts: 43,052

Bikes: 1986 Alpine (steel road bike), 2009 Ti Habenero, 2013 Specialized Roubaix

Mentioned: 560 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quoted: 22598 Post(s)
Liked 8,925 Times in 4,158 Posts
Yes, it's "normal."

Just stand up every now and then, and vary your position as suggested above, that should solve the problem.
datlas is offline  
Old 01-08-11, 09:38 PM
  #14  
I eat carbide.
 
Psimet2001's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Elgin, IL
Posts: 21,627

Bikes: Lots. Van Dessel and Squid Dealer

Mentioned: 25 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1325 Post(s)
Liked 1,306 Times in 560 Posts
Normal. It has been enough of a factor for me over the years that at one point I thought I had Prostate cancer and/or was done riding a bike for good.

Saddle choice. There are saddles I adore on the road that will destroy me on a trainer. I have found one that works for both. Every time. Never fail. Not only that but I recently had a good fit done and now find I can spend ~2 hours in the saddle on the trainer. I hate it but it is not my butt that gives out.
__________________
PSIMET Wheels, PSIMET Racing, PSIMET Neutral Race Support, and 11 Jackson Coffee
Podcast - YouTube Channel
Video about PSIMET Wheels

Psimet2001 is offline  
Old 01-08-11, 09:51 PM
  #15  
Senior Member
 
mvnsnd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: WNY
Posts: 3,100

Bikes: Factor O2, Caad10, Caad2

Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 365 Post(s)
Liked 122 Times in 78 Posts
Originally Posted by datlas
Yes, it's "normal."

Just stand up every now and then, and vary your position as suggested above, that should solve the problem.
This. I stand for a little bit about every 15 minutes.
mvnsnd is offline  
Old 01-08-11, 10:26 PM
  #16  
meow
 
bostongarden's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Hint: check out my BF name
Posts: 5,831

Bikes: 2016 Parlee Altum, 2013 Cannondale Super Six Evo Hi Mod Di2 only, 2011 Cannondale Super Six, Dura Ace 7800, 2007 Cannondale System Six Dura Ace 7800, 1992 Bridgestone RB-1, MB-2, MB-3, MB-5

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked 3 Times in 2 Posts
Stand every now and then, and, when it is too uncomfortable, get off the bike for a bit.
bostongarden is offline  
Old 01-08-11, 10:29 PM
  #17  
Riding
 
twobadfish's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Bend, Oregon
Posts: 1,909

Bikes: Motobecane Fantom Cross Pro; Motobecane Nemesis Pro

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Softer saddle?
twobadfish is offline  
Old 01-08-11, 10:30 PM
  #18  
Senior Member
 
halfspeed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: SE Minnesota
Posts: 12,275

Bikes: are better than yours.

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Originally Posted by rousseau
Why the aitch does the saddle hurt my butt so much on the trainer? My best guess is that the bike is in a steady position, making it more like a torture implement. When you're on the road the bike is moving side to side, as are you, so you're not relentlessly gouging your backside so much.

Does this sound right? Does it hurt less on rollers?

Just curious. I used to ride outside in the winter, but this year I can't be bothered (too much time getting ready, don't feel like dealing with the cold air, etc.). So this is my first winter of serious trainer riding, but I just can't get comfortable in the saddle.

Any suggestions?
No.
__________________
Telemachus has, indeed, sneezed.
halfspeed is offline  
Old 01-08-11, 10:42 PM
  #19  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Kissimmee, FL
Posts: 514
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by twobadfish
Softer saddle?
Was thinking the same thing...was noticing my butt was sore tonight and then I saw this thread. I have the old saddle from my allez elite that I could mount on, but I'm worried about screwing up my fit that I had done as I'm not he best with the tools yet.
gazelle5333 is offline  
Old 01-08-11, 11:47 PM
  #20  
Beer >> Sanity
 
bikerjp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Colorado
Posts: 3,449

Bikes: 2014 Evo DA2, 2010 Caad9-4, 2011 Synapse-4, 2013 CaadX-disc

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Make sure the bike is level or maybe even a bit nose up. I had this issue on the trainer but raised the front some and no more soreness. I'm too cheap to by a climbing block and was just using a phone book. It was apparently not think enough so I added some 2x4s under and now all is fine.
bikerjp is offline  
Old 01-09-11, 01:25 AM
  #21  
Senior Member
 
Brian Ratliff's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Near Portland, OR
Posts: 10,123

Bikes: Three road bikes. Two track bikes.

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 47 Post(s)
Liked 4 Times in 4 Posts
I think it's because you end up sitting harder on a trainer since you don't need to use your arms and legs as shock absorbers. The torque characteristics are different as well because of the lower inertia; you end up pedaling more fully though the pedal stroke, which means your body floats less under your leg force and you end up sitting harder in the saddle.

In any case, it is real. I fix it by standing up every 10-15 minutes.
__________________
Cat 2 Track, Cat 3 Road.
"If you’re new enough [to racing] that you would ask such question, then i would hazard a guess that if you just made up a workout that sounded hard to do, and did it, you’d probably get faster." --the tiniest sprinter
Brian Ratliff is offline  
Old 01-09-11, 02:25 PM
  #22  
djb
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Montreal Canada
Posts: 13,220
Mentioned: 33 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2739 Post(s)
Liked 972 Times in 795 Posts
I am new to using a trainer and immediately noticed the diff on my keester due to the lack of movement and diff weight distribution vs out on the road. I too find standing once in a while helps but then i have been doing only 45 min stretches (an hour long tv show minus ads) so it really hasnt been much of an issue.
One thing I am very grateful for is that my seat fits me very well and while it weighs as much as some of your entire bikes plus the sofa in your living room, I appreciate it even more inside.
djb is offline  
Old 01-09-11, 03:23 PM
  #23  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Austin
Posts: 1,272
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by halfspeed
No.
Originally Posted by rousseau
Why the aitch does the saddle hurt my butt so much on the trainer? My best guess is that the bike is in a steady position, making it more like a torture implement. When you're on the road the bike is moving side to side, as are you, so you're not relentlessly gouging your backside so much.

Does this sound right? Does it hurt less on rollers?

Just curious. I used to ride outside in the winter, but this year I can't be bothered (too much time getting ready, don't feel like dealing with the cold air, etc.). So this is my first winter of serious trainer riding, but I just can't get comfortable in the saddle.

Any suggestions?
I'd say yes.

I've been using e-motion rollers for over a year now and I can tell you it's night and day difference for me compared to a stationary trainer when it comes to saddle comfort. I can't speak to how traditional rollers compare. I guess the e-motions might be more comfortable because they float based on the surges in your pedal strokes. I'd also think the side to side rocking on any roller would be an improvement over the static position on a trainer. The other nice thing about the e-motions is that they are very easy to get out of the saddle, which helps mitigate saddle pain. You can do the same on a trainer, but to me it just doesn't feel right when you can't rock the bike.

In fairness, I have never spent any significant time on stationaryh trainers, so maybe I wasn't doing it right, but they feel like pure torture to me. The e-motion rollers feel just like riding on the road, but still with the bordom of riding inside.
grwoolf is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Fly2High
Road Cycling
27
11-15-17 08:38 AM
MinnMan
Fifty Plus (50+)
25
03-18-15 04:21 PM
therh
Road Cycling
45
02-17-14 03:30 PM
TexLex100
Fifty Plus (50+)
22
01-01-13 07:55 AM
Soaranator
Fifty Plus (50+)
62
10-13-12 01:20 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.