lotek 

You decide. .
https://today.reuters.com/news/newsAr...archived=False

This was reported on the local Dallas news this morning.
If its true (and I'm not saying yea or nay) but this one looks pretty
damning.
It will be interesting to see how the machine spins this one.

roadwarrior

When he was being treated for cancer.

This is not news.

The six people that are in my family that had cancer, all got EPO and it helps with red cell development when you are taking chemo.

El Diablo Rojo

The hit's just keeeep on com'n. Well I guess he can now clain that he never took drugs post cancer.

Old Dirt Hill

Here we go again.

El Diablo Rojo

The way I read the article was that he told his doctor that he had taken performance enhancing drugs prior to his cancer. He wouldn't have taken HGH for his cancer treatment.

lotek 

Reread the article, its confusing. . . he alledgely admitted use when questioned after the
brain surgery in order to come up with a treatment plan.
I think this is referring to use prior to Cancer Diagnosis, of course there is no proof and
no way to verify either way.


edit: this is what happens when I sit in edit mode for 10 minute, Red and I state same thing.

cslone

They are going off of testimony form Frankie's wife. She says she heard Lance tell the Doctor that he had taken it before. They are just taking liberties on the title of the article.

Mojo GoGo

I object!!! Heresay!!! Please strike that comment from the record. I wish to invoke patient/doctor confidentiality with respect to any substances Mr. Armstrong may or may not have taken...

merlinextraligh

And Frankie Andreu's wife's motive to lie is? As far as I'm aware Andreu and Armstrong are still on good terms (or were at least before this).

jfmckenna

What did he have brain surgery for?

Chad's Colnago

The cancer moved into several areas, including his brain. He had surgery to remove the tumor.

Cromulent

I think it was to remove tumors from his brain. His cancer had spread to his lungs and brain.

D'oh. Not fast enough.

TomInFLA

Here's another link to an article with a little more information: https://sports.yahoo.com/sc/news?slug...=afp&type=lgns

I suppose this gives both the lovers and haters of Lance more fuel. Lovers can say people are simply trying to drag him down when he can't really defend himself, and haters can obviously point to this as proof.

Also, all this stuff gives me more opportunity read the name "Dick Pound", which I still think is one of the funniest names on the planet.

Trevor98

In April I had brain surgery for a hemorrhage. For 13 days following surgery they had me on some pretty severe steroids to stimulate growth and healing (cutting through muscles in the back of the head did some major damage). Doctors put you on some weird meds to save your life and fix you. Why are we second guessing a doctor prescribing legal (although controlled) meds to cure cancer? EPO is regularly used to fix the damage done during cancer treatments.

More importantly- how is the original article classified as "News?" Armstrong, a renowned cancer survivor, has admitted to EPO use in connection to his cancer treatment. The only reason this is reported is for the shock value of the headline. And we all fell for it- doesn't that make us gullible?

lotek 

trevor,

this is not about what he took during treatment. The statement alledges that he
admitted to PEDs prior to cancer diagnosis (to his doctor) when they were formulating
his treatment.

Ok, this is interesting, its old news and the court thing was between LA and SCA
(trying to get out of paying him for the TdF wins. . . ) old news picked up by
a french paper?

Marty

merlinextraligh

I was curious about how this came out also. Was the testimony in the insurance suit taken under seal? In most courts these days depositions, while not under seal or anything, are not filed with the court, until they're used (either in a summary judgement proceeding, or at trial). So you can't just run to the court house and look it up. It sounds like the Andreu's testified in depositions in the insurance suit. I guess the paper got the testimony from one of the parties, or their counsel, or possibly the court reporter.

Smoothie104

There's an trial going on regarding SCA promotions, a Company the is with holding bonuses for TdF wins from Lance, they are refusing payment until they are convinced the allegations regarding PED's are unfounded.

Lance had his lawyers lobby to have all the testimonies sealed, which they obtained, Several parties have testified under oath, that they were in the room with Lance and his Cancer Doctors and the Doctors asked If Lance what sort of substances he had used in the past, He allegedly stated " EPO, HGH, steroids, corticosteroids, and testosterone." Supposedly his Girlfriend was there, the Andreu's not married at the time, Carmichael, and An oakley representative.

From what I hear, only the Oakley Rep says she didn't hear it, or denied it. The others supposedly say its true, not sure about Carmichael, but hey, he has his own doping lawsuits and history to worry about.

This may all be BS as well, but you know I will get to the bottom of it eventually, lol

Not sure if this is true, not sure if the testimonies are really/still sealed,

Trevor98

He allegedly admitted to his doctor that he used PEDs 10 years ago and other people came forward within the last year to relay this information? Isn't that hearsay and rumor mongering? If this doctor violated his ethics and discussed a patient's records why should we believe him? If "friends" are discussing their memories of PED use timing then we must apply our own value on the reliability of their memories. I am having some short term memory problems now, but I could have never told you what I had been told ten prior- could you?

merlinextraligh

The Oakley representative of course had no reason to have selective hearing loss. Armstrong essentially required Oakley to keep her employed serving one client, Armstrong.

merlinextraligh

Well actually its not hearsay. Hearsay is an out of court statement offered in court to prove the truth of the matter asserted. Under the Federal Rules of Evidence, a statement by a Party offered against the party is not hearsay. ( Some state court rules provide that an admission is hearsay, but make admissions one of the numerous exceptions to the hearsay rule, and admissions while in the definition of hearsay, are still admissable.)
Applied to this case, the testimony of the Andreu's is not out of court so it isn't hearsay. The satement attributed to Armstrong is offered against him, and is therefore considered an admission, and is admissable, either as not hearsay, or as an exception to the hearsay rule, depending on which rules of evidence are applicalbe.
Whether it's credible is another issue, but it is not inadmissable hearsay.

donrhummy

he's always admitted this. EPO is a VERY common drug for chemo patients and Lance, being a chemo patient, used it DURING treatment. So what? By the time 1999 came around, that EPO was out of his system. I'm not saying he didn't use EPO later (how would I know) but the EPO mentioned in this article was for keeping him alive/functioning during chemo.

Smoothie104

Why do some believe that Lance, for whatever reason, was indoctrinated and imersed into a doping sport, run by a doping culture, coached and trained by former dopers, And went on to dominate the TdF yet never doped, rode with, hired, or even saw anyone else dope?

Why the code of silence? why the constant belittling of those who have the courage to come forward and seek help? The raid in Madrid shows us that Blood Packing and doping is still widespread, and undectable when done correctly. but some how the "Patron" or Boss of the Peleton has been fooled into thinking everyone is clean? How is a guy who was so focused and obsessed with every aspect of the sport and advantages to his performance simply left in the dark while the rest of the peleton charges up?
If he cared about clean sport as much as he claims to, why hasn't he comeforward with what he knows? Instead of making "zipped lips" gestures to those who talk about the drug use?

I for one am frustrated with the fact that no more names from the list in Spain, or bags of blood have been released. I can only imagine the $$$ being moved around to try and cover up the truth. I doubt it will come out before the World Cup is over, since there are Spanish footballers on it as well.

If Saiz has 60,000 euros to buy some blood and drugs, how much $$$ is around to keep the whole cirucs gonig?

lotek 

ok, I've edited the thread title, and I'll state it again.
We are NOT discussing his cancer treatment, this alledges
PRE-CANCER use.
go back, reread the articles.

Trevor98

I never involked a legal definition but the accusation is still one person re-stating what another said (and when). In order to judge their credibility we would need vasltly more data on that person and the circumstances. Additionally, I never stated that the statements were inadmissable and we must each judge credibility individually.

Does anyone know the statue of limitation for using controlled substances in Texas(CA=2 years)? How far back can the UCI go to punish someone?

merlinextraligh

As for the timing and the credibility,
I think they likely "came forward" because they were subpeona'd to do so, and sworn under oath to tell the truth. It's one thing to not volunteer to break the code of silence. It's another to lie under oath. I think Andreu never set out to throw Armstrong under the bus, but also wasn't going to lie under oath. To my knowledge the Andreus' didn't do a kiss and tell piece in the media. As for remembering 10 years ago, the question is whether it's the typle of event that would make an impression. If my friend and teamate was laying in a hospital bed potentially dying of cancer, and made a statement on such an inflammatory issue, that aslo had potential repercussions on me, and my professional career, I think I'd remember it.
Andreu road how many tours with Armstrong? Do you really think that he doesn't know the answer to the question of whether Armstrong doped.