Le Tour: The Race Thread
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Lance seemed a little disappointed when interviewed after yesterday's stage. He said one thing but he looked down. Yesterday was his last big chance at holding yellow and he of course knew this, IMO. Contador did the right thing, and Lance knows this. He is just personally disappointed, I think. That's really the only story regarding Contador and Armstrong, despite what Lance-tastic Versus coverage may make one think.
Now Cadel Evans, that's like watching a trainwreck. Good to see him attacking but he's not going to get anywhere without a team. He may come off as a dick but I'd like to see him gain a modicum of success.
Now Cadel Evans, that's like watching a trainwreck. Good to see him attacking but he's not going to get anywhere without a team. He may come off as a dick but I'd like to see him gain a modicum of success.
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I'll tell you what: I'm completely astonished at how strong Lance looks in the mountains. And he appears to be getting stronger every day. It's a long race weenies. Anything can happen.
That's why they do the race. In the end I do believe they'll come together to support Alberto. But now I can see this developing into an intrasquad duel between Lance and Contador. That would be quite the soap opera. And it will be fun to watch.
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Are we watching a different TdF around here or something?
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After yesterdays events I am now less certian that AC will win this tour...AC went against a direct order not to attack (I know this to be a fact but I can't tell you how I know this..I'm dead serious about this). In doing so AC showed the world that he is the man in this Tour but he also pissed of his team. There is a long way to go and a lot of bad things can happen along the way. One off day for AC and he just may well find himself alone and isolated when he needs some help.
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You have just illustrated how completely unreliable eyewitness accounts are in trials, since two people can watch the same event and come away with diverging impressions.
However in this case, you are obviously wrong.
However in this case, you are obviously wrong.
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Probably... I remember him 'having a hard time' in the mountains some years ago, just before he slayed Pantani.
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i didn't think he looked that bad...Contador tore himself apart for 21s...lance is still right there...he's only 2s off his real contender. i would be more worried about wiggins..that guy looked pretty good, he looks anorexic though...he kinda reminds me of the chicken.
oh well...i was rooting for Hincapie today...would be nice to see him get a stage win!
oh well...i was rooting for Hincapie today...would be nice to see him get a stage win!
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Most of the footage shown on tv was from the front pack, so I haven't seen LA too much. Could have been just one single crappy minute up the mountain for him.
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A comment about AC made sense. Said he was just a bit insecure about his leadership of the team and strength etc., so he did went on the attack. It was not smart tactically but oh well.
My hope is that one climb - maybe Ventoux we see AC vs Lance or whoever else - no hold bars - no rules of cycling but just mano a mano - who can get to the top of the hill first.
My hope is that one climb - maybe Ventoux we see AC vs Lance or whoever else - no hold bars - no rules of cycling but just mano a mano - who can get to the top of the hill first.
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A comment about AC made sense. Said he was just a bit insecure about his leadership of the team and strength etc., so he did went on the attack. It was not smart tactically but oh well.
My hope is that one climb - maybe Ventoux we see AC vs Lance or whoever else - no hold bars - no rules of cycling but just mano a mano - who can get to the top of the hill first.
My hope is that one climb - maybe Ventoux we see AC vs Lance or whoever else - no hold bars - no rules of cycling but just mano a mano - who can get to the top of the hill first.
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Lance made these comments following Stage 6, but prior to team strategy meeting for Stage 7:
"I know Alberto wants to assert himself in the race. He is ready to go. If he goes and nobody can hang with him, then I will just stay with the other leaders."
Lance's quotes are in the video titled "Armstrong On Scary Day". Fast forward to the 2min 20 sec mark to get the quotes.
https://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/play...hp?cl=14435449
"I know Alberto wants to assert himself in the race. He is ready to go. If he goes and nobody can hang with him, then I will just stay with the other leaders."
Lance's quotes are in the video titled "Armstrong On Scary Day". Fast forward to the 2min 20 sec mark to get the quotes.
https://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/play...hp?cl=14435449
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Bobke made the observation that Contador opened an initial gap - but never really widened it. Which means had he attacked with 4km to go he might have gotten nailed back. This Tour will be decided in the Alps and on Ventoux. Particularly the latter. Having that stage on the penultimate day is just fantastic. That could be an amazing showdown.
I never expected Lance to be this strong, or that there would be a legitimate debate about who would be the team leader. Fun to watch, that's for sure.
By the way, what Lance says and what he thinks may not coincide. He's far more diplomatic and mature than he was 10 years ago. He has learned how to cope with the media after being in the fishbowl for so long, and I think he's pretty good at it.
I never expected Lance to be this strong, or that there would be a legitimate debate about who would be the team leader. Fun to watch, that's for sure.
By the way, what Lance says and what he thinks may not coincide. He's far more diplomatic and mature than he was 10 years ago. He has learned how to cope with the media after being in the fishbowl for so long, and I think he's pretty good at it.
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Best exchange of info on the race that I have seen in a while. Makes nice reading for a change.
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That view is not universally held. Contador will need team mates to win the Tour, he could have thrown Lance a bone yesterday, perhaps his last chance to don Yellow. Alberto's little attack to gain 20 seconds did seem a bit odd under the circumstances. E. Merckx for one said it was a very bush league move. If I were Lance it would have rubbed me the wrong way. It didn't strike me as so bright on Alberto's part. If he's strong enough, he'll emerge regardless. But pissing off Lance wasn't such a good idea, not worth the potential fallout. JB knows this. If he had thought it was time to go, he would have issued that command. He did not. He is correct.
I'll tell you what: I'm completely astonished at how strong Lance looks in the mountains. And he appears to be getting stronger every day. It's a long race weenies. Anything can happen.
That's why they do the race. In the end I do believe they'll come together to support Alberto. But now I can see this developing into an intrasquad duel between Lance and Contador. That would be quite the soap opera. And it will be fun to watch.
I'll tell you what: I'm completely astonished at how strong Lance looks in the mountains. And he appears to be getting stronger every day. It's a long race weenies. Anything can happen.
That's why they do the race. In the end I do believe they'll come together to support Alberto. But now I can see this developing into an intrasquad duel between Lance and Contador. That would be quite the soap opera. And it will be fun to watch.
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not sure if there is a link to the Merckx quote, but that's what Phil and Paul said in
the pre-race show this morning. Interesting that Axel said that if there is a rift between
Alberto and Lance this could prove to widen it, and it may have gained him 21sec but
he'll need a team to win the tour.
Todays stage was a bit of a yawn excepting the last 4km for the breakaway.
the pre-race show this morning. Interesting that Axel said that if there is a rift between
Alberto and Lance this could prove to widen it, and it may have gained him 21sec but
he'll need a team to win the tour.
Todays stage was a bit of a yawn excepting the last 4km for the breakaway.
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Some of their other course design decisions make no sense to me. Why they would put the Col du Tourmalet in the middle of a stage with about 60+K left is beyond me.
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Kudos to the organizers for having Ventoux so close to the end. That should be awesome if the race is still close.
Some of their other course design decisions make no sense to me. Why they would put the Col du Tourmalet in the middle of a stage with about 60+K left is beyond me.
Some of their other course design decisions make no sense to me. Why they would put the Col du Tourmalet in the middle of a stage with about 60+K left is beyond me.
The "not a prologue" 1st stage, the "technical" TT and of course Ventoux. Not sure about having Aspin and Tourmalet mid stage. Can't see and attack heroics being rewarded. Might be a nice way of mixing it up, one thing's for sure, I'll be glued to the screen!
I'm sure I remember a lot more contested descents then we have had in the past 6-7 years.
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That view is not universally held. Contador will need team mates to win the Tour, he could have thrown Lance a bone yesterday, perhaps his last chance to don Yellow. Alberto's little attack to gain 20 seconds did seem a bit odd under the circumstances. E. Merckx for one said it was a very bush league move. If I were Lance it would have rubbed me the wrong way. It didn't strike me as so bright on Alberto's part. If he's strong enough, he'll emerge regardless. But pissing off Lance wasn't such a good idea, not worth the potential fallout. JB knows this. If he had thought it was time to go, he would have issued that command. He did not. He is correct.
I'll tell you what: I'm completely astonished at how strong Lance looks in the mountains. And he appears to be getting stronger every day. It's a long race weenies. Anything can happen.
That's why they do the race. In the end I do believe they'll come together to support Alberto. But now I can see this developing into an intrasquad duel between Lance and Contador. That would be quite the soap opera. And it will be fun to watch.
I'll tell you what: I'm completely astonished at how strong Lance looks in the mountains. And he appears to be getting stronger every day. It's a long race weenies. Anything can happen.
That's why they do the race. In the end I do believe they'll come together to support Alberto. But now I can see this developing into an intrasquad duel between Lance and Contador. That would be quite the soap opera. And it will be fun to watch.
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I think the Spanish & French press will have quite a different view of that attack than the LA fans.
Hummer held up the newspaper this morning with the big headline about AC being "The Boss". Couldn't miss the jab he seemed to be taking at the Phil/Paul/Bob opinions that AC was pushing his luck with the Astana game plan.
Eh.